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The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« on: September 22, 2009, 09:35:22 pm »
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=20689

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In an interview with German magazine Welt am Sonntag, Macht reveals the extent of his ambitions: "If the world economy picks up again we can well imagine unit sales of 150,000 Porsche cars per year," he says. "But we won't achieve this with the four models that are existing today. Otherwise, we would have to significantly increase the number of cars of the current models. And then we would not be exclusive anymore. Therefore we have to think about new vehicles."

Macht also hinted strongly that platform sharing with the rest of the VW group would be a key method of Porsche's range expansion once it has been subsumed into the Volkswagen empire. "I am standing for integration instead of confrontation," he said.
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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 09:41:12 pm »
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=20689

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In an interview with German magazine Welt am Sonntag, Macht reveals the extent of his ambitions: "If the world economy picks up again we can well imagine unit sales of 150,000 Porsche cars per year," he says. "But we won't achieve this with the four models that are existing today. Otherwise, we would have to significantly increase the number of cars of the current models. And then we would not be exclusive anymore. Therefore we have to think about new vehicles."

Macht also hinted strongly that platform sharing with the rest of the VW group would be a key method of Porsche's range expansion once it has been subsumed into the Volkswagen empire. "I am standing for integration instead of confrontation," he said.

I dunno....with the bazillion Boxster I see driving around, Porsche isn't terribly exclusive.  And the Audi R8 TT shares a platform with a VW and no one seems to be complaining too much...

I think bringing back the Porsche 912 would be cool...(4 cylinder 911)...
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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 09:55:06 pm »
I'm pretty sure the R8 shares its chassis with the Gallardo.

I'd also like to see a turbo 4 entry level Porsche.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 09:56:37 pm »
I think Ferrari and Porsche should bring out a smaller engined, lightweight stripped out entry level car for about $70K that weighs around 1000kg.  Think about it, it would still be exclusive because it would be too raw for most, I bet they could make an awesome lightweight small track car.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 09:57:28 pm »
^^Yea, you're right.  I meant the TT.  My bad.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 10:00:32 pm »
I think Ferrari and Porsche should bring out a smaller engined, lightweight stripped out entry level car for about $70K that weighs around 1000kg.  Think about it, it would still be exclusive because it would be too raw for most, I bet they could make an awesome lightweight small track car.

But I think that's the problem.  They don't sell enough cars to keep a comfortable profit in this economy.  They should build a car that appeals to more people, not less like a "raw sports car" might.  But I dunno how they can do that

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 10:03:51 pm »
I think bringing back the Porsche 912 would be cool...(4 cylinder 911)...

My Uncle in Windsor has a 1966 Porsche 912. I'd ask have you seen it but he is still working on it I believe.

But ya, that would be a great idea and I think the only way they could sell more cars. Not everybody can cough up 100K+ for a car but 60-70K is doable.
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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 10:08:40 pm »
I think Ferrari and Porsche should bring out a smaller engined, lightweight stripped out entry level car for about $70K that weighs around 1000kg.  Think about it, it would still be exclusive because it would be too raw for most, I bet they could make an awesome lightweight small track car.

But I think that's the problem.  They don't sell enough cars to keep a comfortable profit in this economy.  They should build a car that appeals to more people, not less like a "raw sports car" might.  But I dunno how they can do that

You don't have to sell a lot of cars to make a profit, and exclusivity is still important, you don't want to see too many of them around...

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2009, 10:17:54 pm »
I think Ferrari and Porsche should bring out a smaller engined, lightweight stripped out entry level car for about $70K that weighs around 1000kg.  Think about it, it would still be exclusive because it would be too raw for most, I bet they could make an awesome lightweight small track car.

But I think that's the problem.  They don't sell enough cars to keep a comfortable profit in this economy.  They should build a car that appeals to more people, not less like a "raw sports car" might.  But I dunno how they can do that

You don't have to sell a lot of cars to make a profit, and exclusivity is still important, you don't want to see too many of them around...

Bazillions of Boxsters around...even in Windsor that has no Porsche dealer.  I think it's a bit late for that....

How about modernizing the look?  I think Porsches, generally, look dull. 

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2009, 11:43:08 pm »
I'm afraid VW will cause a democratization of the elitist Porsche name.  It's not the worst thing that could happen but I don't think it's a good strategy for an automaker like Porsche that specializes in luxury and performance.

There are a bunch of Boxters and Caymans driving around Ottawa but there's also a lot of 911s.

How about modernizing the look?  I think Porsches, generally, look dull. 

IMHO Porsche as a classic elegance.  Toyota, for example, is mostly dull.
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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2009, 11:46:40 pm »
I'm afraid VW will cause a democratization of the elitist Porsche name.  It's not the worst thing that could happen but I don't think it's a good strategy for an automaker like Porsche that specializes in luxury and performance.

There are a bunch of Boxters and Caymans driving around Ottawa but there's also a lot of 911s.

How about modernizing the look?  I think Porsches, generally, look dull. 

IMHO Porsche as a classic elegance.  Toyota, for example, is mostly dull.

Just because Toyota is dull, doesn't mean Porsche isn't.  At least Toyota makes something that looks different from decades ago.  I'm sorry...I'm just tiring of that same old Porsche look on everything they make.  Even Ferraris and Lambos have a slight difference in looks between most models.  Not so with the Porsche.  I mean...even on the Cayenne and Panamera?  Sorry...I'm bored with Porsche...

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 01:25:02 am »
Porsche "purists" have been, with nostrils flaring, lamenting the end of brand since the 356 went out of production. They wailed at the 914 being the ruination of the marque. They howled at the Cayenne. Fortunately, Porsche has not listened to any of this nonsense and sold a crapload of cars and made a boat load of money doing it.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 03:36:53 am »
The Cayenne might not be the best looking Porsche (or SUV for that matter), but it was a smart move to build it.  That thing is a certified cash cow.  It probably permitted them to keep the 911 family alive and helped fund their racing program.  I don't think the Panamera will be as successful as the Cayenne but it will do fairly well IMO.

Anyway, rumor is that the Cayenne and the Panamera are doomed because the VW group wants to focus the brand ... and keep it out of VW and Audi's yard.  Meh ... as long as they don't meddle with the 911.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 07:32:59 am »
What will it matter if they use Vw engines etc. if all Porches in Canada are limited to 150kph anyways :-)

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 07:49:51 am »
Porsche "purists" have been, with nostrils flaring, lamenting the end of brand since the 356 went out of production. They wailed at the 914 being the ruination of the marque. They howled at the Cayenne. Fortunately, Porsche has not listened to any of this nonsense and sold a crapload of cars and made a boat load of money doing it.
If memory serves, the 944 was proclaimed as the end of Porshe.

But most of that comes from people who would never buy one anyway.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 10:12:39 am »
The 928 was supposed to replace the 911.  After much protest from 911 drivers the 911 was kept in the stable. Seems like a good move in retrospect.
I'll declare Porsche dead when they make their first front wheel drive car.  Personally I'd like to see a modern version of a 914. 

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 10:31:41 am »
I'll declare Porsche dead when they make their first front wheel drive car.  Personally I'd like to see a modern version of a 914. 

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 11:05:16 am »
If they're insistent on expanding their product offering, I'd like to see Porsche introduce a different brand to service a lower-end market the way BMW did with MINI.  There could still even be platform sharing, but a large part of why Porsche can get away with selling a car like the Boxster (as brilliantly executed as it is) for such a lofty price (particularly when you start adding options) is because it is a PORSCHE.  The prestige and cache can carry it even cars like the Corvette or GT-R can walk all over it in performance for similar money. 

Having been produced for a dozen years with essentially the same shape, sure we see a lot of Boxsters around.  But to buy a new one is still well beyond the reach of most people -- and even used, to keep them properly maintained requires a dedication and deeper pockets than a similarly priced sports machine from Toyota or Honda, for instance.  This still adds to the exclusivity of having a Porsche, but if a fleet of $35000 Porsche compact sedans and SUVs were all over the place, I wonder how that would affect Porsche's profitability-per-car which is among the highest in the auto industry from what I understand.

Interesting side-note:  the Porsche website (under the pre-owned section) says that over 70% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road!  That speaks to not only how well built they've been, but also just how passionate the owners are about their cars, not only because of their exquisite driving experience, but also likely the way it makes their owners feel about having an exclusive automobile.

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 12:26:26 pm »
If they're insistent on expanding their product offering, I'd like to see Porsche introduce a different brand to service a lower-end market the way BMW did with MINI. 

I agree, that would be a good way to do it.

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Interesting side-note:  the Porsche website (under the pre-owned section) says that over 70% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road!  That speaks to not only how well built they've been, but also just how passionate the owners are about their cars, not only because of their exquisite driving experience, but also likely the way it makes their owners feel about having an exclusive automobile.

same with DeLoreans!  :rofl2:

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Re: The start of the dilution of Porsche...
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2009, 12:31:01 pm »
The late 60s 912 was a great car.  Been checking them out on ebay for the last few months (with no intention of actually purchasing)...they look great and can be had at a great price.