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« on: September 18, 2009, 05:43:13 am » |
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 Test Drive:   Freshened styling, a new interior, a new transmission and more safety features highlight the changes to Lincoln's entry-level luxury sedan for 2010, but are they enough to lure buyers away from the MKZ's formidable competitors, asks Editor-in-chief, Greg Wilson? More: View the photos | All the Test Drives
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Jaeger
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 09:54:39 am » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37.
Jaeger
PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter. |
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 11:07:28 am » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition
I guess it depend if there any competition dealers around. Not everyone wants to drive hundred of kms to a find a dealer. There is usually a Ford dealer in most small towns |
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Jaeger
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 11:19:21 am » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition
I guess it depend if there any competition dealers around. Not everyone wants to drive hundred of kms to a find a dealer. There is usually a Ford dealer in most small towns
I suppose that's true - but hardly a rigning endorsement of the product itself. And I doubt they can count on small-town sales (at least, those so small and remote that the competition is a looong drive away) to gain market share. Jaeger |
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airbalancer
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 12:09:44 pm » |
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To even look at a Lexus, BMW, Infinite, Accua, Audi, and MB it is at least 45 mins to the Germany cars and The Japanese models it is over an hour. Hard to buy one if it a lot over just to see one |
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Jaeger
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 02:19:51 pm » |
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To even look at a Lexus, BMW, Infinite, Accua, Audi, and MB it is at least 45 mins to the Germany cars and The Japanese models it is over an hour. Hard to buy one if it a lot over just to see one
If I were spending $50 grand, I would not be deterred by a drive of that length to make sure I made the best choice. But maybe that's just me. If you want to stick to dealers within walking distance - that's entirely up to you. After all, it's your money and you should spend it as you see fit. But as I said - I am not sure, in terms of demographics, whether people in your position (small town, no import dealers, shopping for a premium mid-size sedan but can't be bothered to drive an hour to test drive the import competition) are sufficiently numerous to make much of a difference one way or the other. Jaeger |
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 04:02:03 pm » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37.
Jaeger
PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
I don't find it confusing at all.....the MKZ (Z is for Zepher) The MKX (X is for Crossover) MKS (S is for Sedan) and the new MKT (Well, T could be for Touring). IMO, it's not any more confusing then Infiniti/BMW/Mercedes/Audi with their numerical/alphabet combo. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 04:35:12 pm » |
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MKT would be reserved for truck, although most of us would think turkey!
Since the MKS is so close i price I would be tempted to upgrade. |
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Jaeger
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 05:35:19 pm » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37.
Jaeger
PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
I don't find it confusing at all.....the MKZ (Z is for Zepher).... Sure. Clear as a bell. Um... what's a Zepher?  Jaeger |
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 07:57:07 pm » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37. I dunno about the G37 -- narrow, cramped, spotty reliability record -- but I agree about the tough sell generally. Dress it up all you want but the body is still too Fusion-like for $50K. The new interior is nice in some ways but also has lost all of the distinction it had with the previous design. When I was buying I looked closely at these both new and used, and there was something about them that always seemed to turn me off. For the same money a CTS blows it away. PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
Agreed. Terrible idea. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 08:14:45 pm » |
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PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
I have to agree....when I saw the thread title I had no idea what type of vehicle they were reviewing until I looked at the photo |
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2009, 08:57:56 am » |
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To even look at a Lexus, BMW, Infinite, Accua, Audi, and MB it is at least 45 mins to the Germany cars and The Japanese models it is over an hour. Hard to buy one if it a lot over just to see one
If I were spending $50 grand, I would not be deterred by a drive of that length to make sure I made the best choice. But maybe that's just me. If you want to stick to dealers within walking distance - that's entirely up to you. After all, it's your money and you should spend it as you see fit. But as I said - I am not sure, in terms of demographics, whether people in your position (small town, no import dealers, shopping for a premium mid-size sedan but can't be bothered to drive an hour to test drive the import competition) are sufficiently numerous to make much of a difference one way or the other. Jaeger Part of the problem is the servicing of the vehicle afterwards, not easy finding time to a service light checked out, found that out with owning the BMW |
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2009, 09:39:11 am » |
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..a Zephyr is a wee breeze.........................Dad had one in B.C 05...................phoning it IN.............. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2009, 03:11:45 pm » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37.
Jaeger
PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
I don't find it confusing at all.....the MKZ (Z is for Zepher).... Sure. Clear as a bell. Um... what's a Zepher?  Jaeger The name "Zepher" has been a Lincoln name for decades. Previous Lincoln models have worn the name well. When lincoln decided to move to the 3-letter naming of the lineup, the Zepher was droped, but the "Z" remained. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2009, 03:50:04 pm » |
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The depreciation on the MKZ makes it a tempting used car buy. I've noticed in the Toronto area, 1-2 year old fwd models with low km's can be had for between $17k-$24k. There are some Zephyr's which can be had for below that. |
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2009, 06:33:36 pm » |
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Nice enough vehicle, but a pretty tough sell against the competition. I can't conceive of what would compel me to spend my $$ on this versus a G-37.
Jaeger
PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
I don't find it confusing at all.....the MKZ (Z is for Zepher).... Sure. Clear as a bell. Um... what's a Zepher?  Jaeger The name "Zepher" has been a Lincoln name for decades. Previous Lincoln models have worn the name well. When lincoln decided to move to the 3-letter naming of the lineup, the Zepher was droped, but the "Z" remained. Ooookay. I'd rather save a ton of dough and drive a nicely-equipped Fusion. Jaeger |
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 10:03:22 pm » |
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2009, 01:59:10 am » |
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PS - Is it only me, or does anyone else find Lincoln's alphabet soup nomenclature confusing? I can never tell what model they're talking about, 'cause everything is MK-pick-a-letter.
Agreed. Terrible idea. I dunno, BMW, MB, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, Infiniti, and Audi also use alphanumeric naming, so it's pretty much expected in the luxury market. And while Audi and BMW's numbering makes a bit of sense (as the numbers grow, so does the size of the car), Lincoln's system is no more nonsensical than that of Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, and Infiniti. |
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2009, 01:37:45 pm » |
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....Lincoln's system is no more nonsensical than that of Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, and Infiniti.
I recall reading in some marketing article years ago that the confusion is by design. As pioneered by BMW, not many folks know what a IS/G/CTS is...so they say they drive a Lexus/Infiniti/Cadillac (respectively). The theory is that you can raise your profit margin by selling against the equity in the brand instead of the model itself. I think there's too much of this going around however...maybe just because I like the names...Mustang, Testarossa, Daytona, Challenger, Viper... |
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 11:57:54 am » |
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Very nice post with a ton of informative information. I really appreciate the fact that you approach these topics from a stand point of knowledge and information instead of the typical “I think” mentality that you see so much on the internet these days. |
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