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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 11:41:56 am »
Mitlov, your argument suggests that all those cars in the top 10 except the Prius are automatics and then they all re-appear further down with the manual transmission.

  All except the Escape and the CRV are available with both transmissions and as people in NA choose auto over manual by about 9:1.

According to the article I linked to above, the EPA classifies the Escape as having 6 different variations that they consider as different models. Individually, the highest they can reach is #7. Add them all up and they get to #1. Can you imagine how many models they consider the F-150 or Silverado to be? Who knows what arcane classification system they use for the rest of the vehicles in their list?

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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2009, 01:37:01 pm »
Cord already covered this one.  The government's numbers only make sense if you think that a Cobalt MT as a fundamentally different vehicle than a Cobalt AT, and don't add their numbers together to get total Cobalt sales.  That's the only way that the Prius, a low-volume car, got into the top five--because it's only got one engine/transmission combination.

Sorry Mit, that's just babble.  Those numbers in the automotive news report are the lastest.

What's notable are the top ten traded in.  :)

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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2009, 03:38:20 pm »
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Those numbers in the automotive news report are the lastest.

The latest EPA numbers. They are just as misleading as the previous ones.

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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2009, 11:51:32 pm »
On a side note ...

I drove by Ottawa Chrysler Jeep Dodge tonight (St. Laurent/McArthur) and there was a big green dumpster with a crap car in it (80's Pontiac something).  There was also a big banner on the dumpster that said "Cash for Clunkers".

We don't have that program here in Canada (good).  Some trickery from the dealership to get more traffic in the showroom?  :P

(Couldn't find an official thread for Cash for Clunkers.  Apologies!)
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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 12:11:27 am »
Cord already covered this one.  The government's numbers only make sense if you think that a Cobalt MT as a fundamentally different vehicle than a Cobalt AT, and don't add their numbers together to get total Cobalt sales.  That's the only way that the Prius, a low-volume car, got into the top five--because it's only got one engine/transmission combination.

Sorry Mit, that's just babble.  Those numbers in the automotive news report are the lastest.

What's notable are the top ten traded in.  :)



Mitlov and cord are correct. The Escape, as an example, is counted as 6 different models by the EPA:

The discrepancy stems from the government's old-school way of counting model sales. The feds consider each model variant a separate vehicle, while Edmunds counts vehicle sales as a whole. In the case of the Escape, the Environmental Protection Agency counts the crossover as six separate models; including FWD, AWD and Hybrid versions..

They do the same for the F150 and Silverado. They are divided between long/short wheelbase, RWD/AWD and flex fuel versions instead of just adding up all F150s or Silverados.

These are the top ten Buys as compiled by Edmunds as of August 7th using the normal method of counting all of the different variations of the same model.

1. Ford Escape
2. Ford Focus
3. Jeep Patriot
4. Dodge Caliber
5. Ford F-150
6. Honda Civic
7. Chevrolet Silverado
8. Chevrolet Cobalt
9. Toyota Corolla
10.Ford Fusion

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/07/report-escape-puts-ford-back-atop-cash-for-clunkers-sales-pileu/2
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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2009, 02:34:33 am »
CASH FOR CLUNKERS
Detroit 3’s piece of clunkers sales was less than U.S. market share
Neil Roland
Automotive News
August 26, 2009 - 3:28 pm ET
UPDATED: 8/10/09 4:26 p.m. ET


WASHINGTON -- The Detroit 3 accounted for only 38.6 percent of the 690,114 vehicles sold under the cash-for-clunkers program, far below their 45.3 percent share of the U.S. market through July, federal data show.

The figures, as of yesterday's 8 p.m. deadline for filing transactions, suggest that foreign manufacturers got a bigger boost than domestic automakers from the $3 billion government program.

Chrysler Group did the worst of the three Detroit companies. Chrysler accounted for only 6.6 percent of all clunkers sales, far less than its 9.6 percent U.S. market share, according to Transportation Department figures released today.

General Motors Co., at 17.6 percent, ranked second in clunkers sales, behind Toyota Motor Sales at 19.4 percent. Ford Motor Co., at 14.4 percent, was third and Honda (13.0 percent) fourth, Nissan (8.7 percent) fifth, Hyundai (7.2 percent) sixth and Chrysler seventh.

The biggest winners in the clunkers program were Toyota, whose U.S. market share through July was 16.3 percent, and Hyundai, whose share was 4.3 percent.

The Detroit 3's share of sales in the clunkers program has declined steadily since the first figures were released Aug. 5.

In releasing the figures today, the government didn't say what percentage of the foreign manufacturers' vehicles sold in the program were made in the United States. In previous announcements, the Transportation Department said more than half these vehicles had been produced in the United States.

"Moribund showrooms were brought back to life, and consumers bought fuel-efficient cars that will save them money and improve the environment," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said today.

According to the government, the best-selling models were, in order: Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Toyota Camry, Ford Focus, Hyundai Elantra, Nissan Versa, Toyota Prius, Honda Accord, Honda Fit and the front-drive Ford Escape.

Separately, Edmunds.com said today it expects "a steep decline" in auto sales in coming weeks based on a significant decline in so-called "purchase intent" among visitors to Edmunds' Web site. This variable measures Web activity that suggests the user is shopping seriously for a vehicle.

Purchase intent is down 50 percent from the clunkers peak and down 11 percent from the June average, according to Edmunds.

"Day by day, intent is slipping," said Edmunds analyst David Tompkins.

In the clunkers program, the Transportation Department said today that the average fuel economy of new vehicles purchased was 24.9 mpg, a 58 percent improvement over the 15.8 mpg average for the trade-ins.

"The program raised the average fuel economy of the fleet while getting the dirtiest and most polluting vehicles off the road," Transportation said in a statement.

About 84 percent of trade-ins were trucks, and 59 percent of new vehicles purchased were cars, the data show.

The top 10 trade-ins were, in order: four-wheel-drive Ford Explorer, two-wheel-drive Ford F-150, Jeep Grand Cherokee 4wd, Ford Explorer 2wd, Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan 2wd, Jeep Cherokee 4wd, Chevrolet Blazer 4wd, Chevrolet C1500 Pickup 2wd, Ford F150 4wd and Ford Windstar fwd van.

The states with the most deals claimed were, in order: California, Texas, New York, Florida and Illinois.

The program sought to boost domestic sales and improve the fuel economy of vehicles on the road by offering $3,500 or $4,500 vouchers to customers who swapped trade-ins for new, more fuel-efficient models.
 


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Re: Four of Top ‘Cash for Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2009, 08:01:03 am »
Says the "politically correct" DOT's counted vehicles EPA-style, tallying differing powertrain or drive wheel combinations separately.