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Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« on: July 20, 2009, 06:54:16 am »
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/arrested+after+slams+into+five+cyclists+Kanata/1807152/story.html

Story Title:  Man arrested after van slams into five cyclists in Kanata

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 07:10:28 am »
Nothing like reading stuff like this before I gear up for my ride to work.

What are the odds the driver was DUI? Isn't that why people flee then turn them self in later after they have sobered up? 

Hopefully a quick recovery for the cyclists involved. Car/bike accidents are never a good thing for the cyclist.
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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 08:11:28 am »
Angry Chicken
Your post is a bit ambiguous. Are you suggesting the cyclists are the "idiots like this"?
I ride a bike for fun -- usually on the bike paths. But if you must ride on the road, it's hard to imagine a safer route and time than wide-open March Road with its dedicated bike lanes, early on a Sunday morning.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 08:24:46 am »
Hey Sparky.  Given the context and the article's text which states that the cyclists were in a clearly marked bike lane, I think my meaning is clear.

I bike 33 km/day to/from work.

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Edit:  typo only.  Durn BB.
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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 10:06:14 am »
What are the odds the driver was DUI? Isn't that why people flee then turn them self in later after they have sobered up? 
My thoughts exactly!  I know that exact stretch of road.  I often do work at a firm right near there.  It's flat and wide and has generous shoulders.  They were travelling northbound in a dedicated bike lane so it's hardly like the sun was in his eyes.  Apparently he showed up at the police station, with his wife, 2 hours after the incident.  So far he's been charged with 5 counts of leaving the scene of an accident but the police said that there will be more....

What a shame!  According to the Ottawa Citizen backgrounder on them, they're all enthusiastic, dedicated cycling friends.  Their lives have been shattered by one man's actions.  I hope the newspapers and other media continue to follow this since I want to find out how it happened and see how they fare over the coming months of rehabiltiation.  Two of them have life-threatening injuries and might not even survive.  One of the group, who was supposed to be cycling with her buds, slept in because she had a very tiring shift the previous day/night at a hospital (she's a 27-year-old recent medical school grad).  She missed their Sunday outing and is now feeling some survivor's guilt over the incident.
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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 06:17:00 pm »
Terrible story. I hadn't considered the possibility that the driver was drunk - but it sounds quite plausible, doesn't it (in spite of it being a Sunday morning, I mean). If that was the case, he should have the book thrown at him, though I suspect it would be difficult to prove.

Thankfully it wasn't any worse, and hopefully all recover.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 07:59:57 pm »
One of the posted comments in the Ottawa Sun was from someone that claims to live near the driver.  He had parked his van with the nose part in the garage to hide the damage...

I wouldn't be surprised if he was focused on his crackberry.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 10:07:17 pm »
O.K. the guy drives over 5 cyclists, then he takes off.  He does not stop to offer aid or phone 911.  I really don't care if he was drunk, stoned, using his phone/Blackberry or just stupid, this son of a :censor: should not be free for a very long time.  It's about time people realize it's not open season on people who ride bikes.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 03:38:46 pm »
...is that the GLORIOUS TWELFTH........ :think: :nono: :hide: :shuffle:
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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 04:14:08 pm »
O.K. the guy drives over 5 cyclists, then he takes off.  He does not stop to offer aid or phone 911.  I really don't care if he was drunk, stoned, using his phone/Blackberry or just stupid, this son of a :censor: should not be free for a very long time.  It's about time people realize it's not open season on people who ride bikes.

Most accidents between adult cyclists and motorists in North America are the fault of the motorists.  I believe an objective analysis of these accidents would find that prosecution of the motorists is rare and very conservative when it does follow.  My personal experience, which is consistent with incidents other cyclists I know have reported, is that it is extremely difficult to get the police to take any action.  They seem to believe that cyclists don't belong on the roads, and are a lawless group who deserve what they get.  I could write a book citing examples of this.

So. like the Toronto motorist who opened his car door in front of a cyclist a year or two ago, resulting in the cyclist hitting the door, falling in front of an oncoming trucker, and being killed, my guess is that this motorist will get away without penalty. 

This is in stark contrast to Europe, where given only what is known so far about this accident, there would be no question this motorist would be in very deep doo-doo.  Life changing doo-doo.  Except that in Europe, because motorists know they WILL get nailed if they hit a cyclist, the accident would have been unlikely to happen in the first place.  Here, all someone has to do is casually mention that the cyclist swerved, to be excused for running down a cyclist.  In a sense, it IS open season.

Let's see, I know three people who had been exceptional individuals who were practically destroyed physically and impaired mentally by being run down by motorists.  At least one of those "accidents" was deliberate.  The driver was never found.  Another two cyclists I knew were simply killed by motorists.  One was by a motorist experimenting with a car he was rebuilding.  I don't recall any of the motorists suffering so much as a traffic ticket for any of these events.

In my own case of being struck from behind (while riding as mandated, on a bridge sidewalk!), the police would do nothing, so I successfully sued the driver.

Cycling in North America will remain stunted until the regulatory regime not only takes cyclists' rights seriously, but balances the scales by recognizing the greater destructive power weilded by the motorists.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 10:18:31 pm »
Cycling in North America will remain stunted until the regulatory regime not only takes cyclists' rights seriously, but balances the scales by recognizing the greater destructive power weilded by the motorists.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2009, 07:47:40 pm »
Just as I was taking up bicycle commute!  :'(  Sad.

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Re: Will I Live Into My Dotage with Idiots Like This?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 08:16:17 pm »
At least it didn't end up like this one last year...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_west/4592412.stm

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I am definitely more cautious to ride in North America than I ever was in Europe.
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