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US pony-car sales
« on: July 01, 2009, 11:02:54 pm »
The race is on: 2010 Mustang versus 2010 Camaro.  And GM won round 1.  GM sold 9,320 Camaros in June, while Ford sold 7,632 Mustangs.  GM also has 10,000 Camaros back-ordered right now.

Part of this might be due to the fact that the Camaro is a new model, whereas the Mustang is a mid-generation update (albeit a massive update, with big suspension improvements and a great leap forward in the interior).

Chrysler got hosed, with only 1,369 Challenger sales in June.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/01/breaking-chevrolet-camaro-outsells-ford-mustang/
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 11:04:22 pm »
When it's all said and done..I think it will be like it has always been...the Mustang outselling the Camaro by a large margin.  This sales battle has been going on forever....Even though the Camaro always seemed to out-gun the Stang in terms of performance, the Mustang always outsold it...
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 11:07:32 pm »
Doesn't hurt to have a hot action oriented movie franchise promote the brand, either.  I refer, of course, to the two Transformers movies.

As for me, while I don't hold much desire to own such a beast, I've always been partial to the Mustang.  Certainly that would be the one I'd buy if I actually got the itch (not to mention the $cratch) to do so. ;) ;D
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:09:48 pm »
Quote from: random006 on July 01, 2009, 11:07:32 pm
Doesn't hurt to have a hot action oriented movie franchise promote the brand, either.  I refer, of course, to the two Transformers movies.

Yeah, but Ford had the new Knight Rider TV show!  Oh boy!  :rofl: :rofl2:
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 01:18:14 am »
Part of this might be due to the fact that the Camaro is a new model, whereas the Mustang is a mid-generation update (albeit a massive update, with big suspension improvements and a great leap forward in the interior).

Agreed, and a darn big "part of it" too....this is the early going for the Camaro and all the Camaro-fanboys are buying. In a year's time, Camaro sales will be poor (unless gas is a lot cheaper, which is not likely).
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 08:32:13 am »
I would like to see what the aveage age of the person buying the Camero is?
I believe it late 40's and mid US
I really do not believe the Transformers movies would sell many cars
Has anyone here who seen the movie bought one ::)
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 09:08:13 am »
Quote from: random006 on July 01, 2009, 11:07:32 pm
Doesn't hurt to have a hot action oriented movie franchise promote the brand, either.  I refer, of course, to the two Transformers movies.

Ahhh - you forget Barricade, the Saleen that has had all the Ford labels removed Mustang! 

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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 09:20:43 am »
Quote from: Thinking Out Loud on July 02, 2009, 09:08:13 am
Quote from: random006 on July 01, 2009, 11:07:32 pm
Doesn't hurt to have a hot action oriented movie franchise promote the brand, either.  I refer, of course, to the two Transformers movies.

Ahhh - you forget Barricade, the Saleen that has had all the Ford labels removed Mustang! 

ARE YOU LADIESMAN217?  ARE YOU LADIESMAN217?    Where ARE the GLASSES!?!?!?!?

True that.  I thought about editing my post but came to the conclusion that the blatant GM tags everywhere on the "good guys" would lead people to the correct reference of the Camaro and not the Ford.

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BTW, the 2nd movie is quite good, just a bit overwhelming with all the action they've managed to shove into each scene.  It's sometimes hard to figure out exactly what is happening in detail owing to the scope of each "set" as well as the speed, dust and NOISE that two or more Transformers can generate when fighting. ;D

Bring your earplugs. ;D

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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 10:37:35 am »
2.5 hours, I hear.....better ease up on the 5 gallons of pop before I head in....

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2009, 04:30:59 pm »
Wonder how many Genesis coupes were sold...'cause we all know it's the better car right.   ;D
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 10:56:29 pm »
I thought this thread was about pony cars, not go carts  ::) ....
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 11:56:03 pm »
Quote from: My Old Buick on July 02, 2009, 10:56:29 pm
I thought this thread was about pony cars, not go carts  ::) ....

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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 12:30:02 am »
Quote from: rrocket on July 01, 2009, 11:04:22 pm
When it's all said and done..I think it will be like it has always been...the Mustang outselling the Camaro by a large margin.  This sales battle has been going on forever....Even though the Camaro always seemed to out-gun the Stang in terms of performance, the Mustang always outsold it...

Certainly not always and particularly not if you count total F body production. You can even count Fox body Capris if you want.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2009, 12:40:38 am »
Quote from: Erik on July 03, 2009, 12:30:02 am
Quote from: rrocket on July 01, 2009, 11:04:22 pm
When it's all said and done..I think it will be like it has always been...the Mustang outselling the Camaro by a large margin.  This sales battle has been going on forever....Even though the Camaro always seemed to out-gun the Stang in terms of performance, the Mustang always outsold it...

Certainly not always and particularly not if you count total F body production. You can even count Fox body Capris if you want.

The last time the F-bodies outsold the Mustang, was 1993.  That was the year of the new style Camaro with the terrific engine.  Then in 1994, the SN95 Mustang came out and out-sold them again.  So the Camaro has outsold the Mustang twice in 16 years (and this time the year isn't over yet).  So not always....but generally speaking...a very long time indeed...
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 01:16:46 am »
Quote from: rrocket on July 03, 2009, 12:40:38 am
Quote from: Erik on July 03, 2009, 12:30:02 am
Quote from: rrocket on July 01, 2009, 11:04:22 pm
When it's all said and done..I think it will be like it has always been...the Mustang outselling the Camaro by a large margin.  This sales battle has been going on forever....Even though the Camaro always seemed to out-gun the Stang in terms of performance, the Mustang always outsold it...

Certainly not always and particularly not if you count total F body production. You can even count Fox body Capris if you want.

The last time the F-bodies outsold the Mustang, was 1993.  That was the year of the new style Camaro with the terrific engine.  Then in 1994, the SN95 Mustang came out and out-sold them again.  So the Camaro has outsold the Mustang twice in 16 years (and this time the year isn't over yet).  So not always....but generally speaking...a very long time indeed...

Well, the combined F body sales beat the Mustang all but three years from 1982 to 1992. The Mustang reversed that in the following 10 years.

If you look at the 70's, the F Body was THE car. Half a million F bodies were sold in 1979!
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2009, 03:22:38 am »
Quote from: TopGun on July 02, 2009, 04:30:59 pm
Wonder how many Genesis coupes were sold...'cause we all know it's the better car right.   ;D

For June 2009, Hyundai sold 1,838 Genesises (Genesi?) in the States.  That's coupe AND sedan.

http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20090701/LA4120701072009-1.html
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Re: US pony-car sales
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2009, 04:58:52 am »
Quote from: Erik on July 03, 2009, 01:16:46 am
Quote from: rrocket on July 03, 2009, 12:40:38 am
Quote from: Erik on July 03, 2009, 12:30:02 am
Quote from: rrocket on July 01, 2009, 11:04:22 pm
When it's all said and done..I think it will be like it has always been...the Mustang outselling the Camaro by a large margin.  This sales battle has been going on forever....Even though the Camaro always seemed to out-gun the Stang in terms of performance, the Mustang always outsold it...

Certainly not always and particularly not if you count total F body production. You can even count Fox body Capris if you want.

The last time the F-bodies outsold the Mustang, was 1993.  That was the year of the new style Camaro with the terrific engine.  Then in 1994, the SN95 Mustang came out and out-sold them again.  So the Camaro has outsold the Mustang twice in 16 years (and this time the year isn't over yet).  So not always....but generally speaking...a very long time indeed...

Well, the combined F body sales beat the Mustang all but three years from 1982 to 1992. The Mustang reversed that in the following 10 years.

If you look at the 70's, the F Body was THE car. Half a million F bodies were sold in 1979!

COMBINED sales.  ::)  Let's look at the best sellers...Mustang and Camaro.  A bit unfair to compare combined sales when the Mustang had a twin for only 6 years out of 35 years or so.

From 1967-2002, the Camaro has outsold the Mustang only in 1977, 1978,1984,1985, and finally in 1991 (I thought it was 1993..guess not!)

So in 35 years....the Mustang has been on top for 30 of those.  Not too shabby.
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2009, 09:41:29 am »
Quote from: Mitlov on July 03, 2009, 03:22:38 am
For June 2009, Hyundai sold 1,838 Genesises (Genesi?) in the States.  That's coupe AND sedan.

With help from Ovr's post...

....this is the early going for the Camaro Genesis and all the Camaro Genesis fanboys are buying...
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2009, 09:56:55 am »
Quote from: rrocket on July 03, 2009, 04:58:52 am
COMBINED sales.  ::)  Let's look at the best sellers...Mustang and Camaro.  A bit unfair to compare combined sales when the Mustang had a twin for only 6 years out of 35 years or so.

I've always considered the Firebird just a different trim level of Camaro.    Kinda like the Silverado/Sierra pick-em-ups.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 09:59:17 am »
The Camaro, Mustang and even Challenger (despite low sales) have cult followings and histories that go back to 1964 in the case of the 'Stang.  This is a tremendous advantage.
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