Topic: Questions about my old car

[Zamboni]

Ok so my Dad decided to buy a new car w/o trading in the old car, but instead wants to give (or sell for very very low value) the car to his friend.

However the new car came before everything is finished with the old one and the plates are transferred to the new one. The old car now sits there without plate, insurance, nor driver.

Can someone tell me what the law is in Ontario regarding unplated vehicles? I know nobody can drive it as is, but is it violating any laws by just sitting there in the driveway? Can I park it on the side of the road next to the house?

Also, I've learned that safety and emission tests need to be performed before the transfer of ownership can take place. Will any garage be able to perform these tests or are there specific places we have to tow the car to?

Lastly, does the vehicle have to be present during the transfer of ownership at the Ministry? Are they going to give an estimated value base on the car, or just the red / black / whatever book according to the make and year?

Thanks for any reply...

[blur911]

All you really have to do to sell a car is get your money and sign the back of the ownership, everything else is up to the buyer.

If you want to you can buy a sellers package, get it safetied and etested, but it's not your responsibility, it will of course raise the value of the car significantly to do these things.  Someone does have to buy a sellers package ($20 and normally the seller buys it) to transfer ownership, but it doesn't have to be safetied or etested to do this.  It will need these for a plate validation sticker.

Normally in this case the buyer would bring his plates and the ownership you signed the back of (in the appropriate spot) to the MTO and he would get a temporary T sticker for his plate.  Then he would call his insurance and let them know he just bought a car and give them the VIN, screw on the plates and drive home.  He has 10 days to get it safetied and etested before the T sticker runs out.  The MTO doesn't need to see the car.

If it's been etested within a year, it doesn't need another.

Your friend will pay taxes based on the sellers package unless you get it appraised lower and jump through a few hoops. 

[Trainman]

Can't say for Ontario, but in our city it is against municipal by-laws to have unplated (ie uninsured/unregistered) vehicles on public streets.  I would check with your local municipality on that aspect.  Around here they get towed without warning.

[tpl]

I am sure its the same for Ontario.   If its on the street it must be plated and I think it has to be insured for liability at least.

[airbalancer]

Etesting, not every place has the machine for Etest, check first

[Zamboni]

Thank you all for the clear and prompt reply.

Another question; the last time the car in question went through an E-test was May 28 of 2008, which is just over one year. Does that mean another E-test is required?

Also, can anyone suggest a garage for safety standard certification and E-test around Pickering, Markham, or Scarborough area? An idea of how much it'd cost would also be nice.

Lastly, on the ownership part of the permit (ie. ownership transfer form), under the buyer portion it asks for insurance information. I'm guessing this means the buyer HAS to have the car in question insured before the visit to the MTO?

[dash]

-E-test valid for 1 year only
-There is an E-testing facility on Hwy2 southside just west of Liverpool, busy place, but usual 15-20 min. waite,
cost s/b around $35. never had any problems at this place.
-I never had to show the insurance pink slip, but MTO documents do require a policy # and company for transfer, I think as along as you have valid proof of an insurance policy that's ok, since most insurance companies give you about a week coverage prior to informing them of any changes to your policy.

[blur911]

but MTO documents do require a policy # and company for transfer, I think as along as you have valid proof of an insurance policy that's ok, since most insurance companies give you about a week coverage prior to informing them of any changes to your policy.

You don't need insurance or safety certificate to transfer ownership.  You do need it to plate the vehicle, different things.