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GM appears to have sold Hummer
« on: June 02, 2009, 05:28:59 pm »
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 05:36:56 pm »
damn......the Italian ChiX are awesome................ :'( :'( :'(.............. ;D...and they're from LIKE FIAT!!!!
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 07:51:40 am »
There must be a ton, or three, of pent up demand in China for them.  :rofl2:
Cheap gas - Big Hummer - perferct vehicle for fjording all those inland water ways.
I wonder if this will lead to a decline in rice production down the road as the fields get trashed by weekend warriors looking for new thrills. ;D

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 08:17:51 am »
I suppose some families over there could just live in one of those monsters...  :rofl:

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 11:52:49 am »
That's funny.

Now all the good Union boys can drive their Chinese-made Hummer down to the local WalMart to buy some good American products.

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 09:54:07 am »
Not to worry..the Ying & Yang will even it out.................here's USA's answerver........

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2009, 10:00:39 am »
Not so fast! The chinese government is apparently opposed to bringing in these crappy vehicles over there...

Analyst: Hummer sale 'pretty unlikely' to get China's approval
http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/BUSINESS01/90605024/1014/BUSINESS01

Can't blame them really... Hummer should disappear from the face of the earth and be burried in a cemetary somewhere right next to Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn.

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2009, 10:34:05 am »
News story today that GM has sold Saturn to Penske....wonder what Penske is thinking, but he is more aware than we are.....so good luck to him. Penske is an sharp businessman, and has done very well for himself. The newer Saturn designs are quite appealling, imo.
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2009, 11:04:30 am »
News story today that GM has sold Saturn to Penske....wonder what Penske is thinking, but he is more aware than we are.....so good luck to him. Penske is an sharp businessman, and has done very well for himself. The newer Saturn designs are quite appealling, imo.

Too bad that buying Saturn wouldn't bring any designs with it. The current Saturns are either rebaged GM/Opal both of which will no longer supply cars to saturn by 2011.

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2009, 11:45:46 am »
50% of all GM cars in the future will be Chinese built, assemble and ship complete. This should come as no surprise. 

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2009, 01:41:00 pm »
News story today that GM has sold Saturn to Penske....wonder what Penske is thinking, but he is more aware than we are.....so good luck to him. Penske is an sharp businessman, and has done very well for himself. The newer Saturn designs are quite appealling, imo.

Too bad that buying Saturn wouldn't bring any designs with it. The current Saturns are either rebaged GM/Opal both of which will no longer supply cars to saturn by 2011.

Could Penske contract Magna to supply Saturn with re-badged Opels, thereby continuing the work GM had already started with getting Saturn on track (and maybe seeing the Insignia arrive in USA as the next Aura)?

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2009, 02:49:37 pm »
The Penske deal does not include Canadian dealers.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/05/news/companies/saturn_penske/index.htm?postversion=2009060509

"Saturn's 51 Canadian dealerships are not part of the deal."

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2009, 02:53:19 pm »
Could Penske contract Magna to supply Saturn with re-badged Opels, thereby continuing the work GM had already started with getting Saturn on track (and maybe seeing the Insignia arrive in USA as the next Aura)?
Magna did sign a contract with GM in which they agreed not to bring Opel to the States.  Maybe there's some sort of loophole where they can supply designs to Saturn and in effect sell "Sopels" across the border.



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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2009, 05:48:59 pm »
Confirmed: GM and Penske outline deal for Saturn - Aura, Vue, Outlook to live on
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/05/confirmed-gm-and-penske-outline-proposed-deal-for-saturn-aura/

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2009, 10:01:51 am »
Doubt cast on Chinese bid for Hummer

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Beijing — The Associated Press, Friday, Jun. 26, 2009 08:41AM EDT

China's planning agency is likely to reject a Chinese company's bid to acquire General Motors Corp.'s Hummer unit, in part because its gas-guzzling vehicles conflict with Beijing's conservation goals, state radio reported.

The National Development and Reform Commission is also likely to say Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Corp., a maker of construction machinery, lacks expertise to run Hummer, China National Radio said late Thursday. It cited no source.

Tengzhong said it has yet to reach a definitive agreement with GM, which the company said previously was required to make a formal request for government approval of the deal.

“Some people may have views and speculation but the Chinese government has a process that we respect,” said a company statement. “We do not yet have a definitive agreement, but are developing our proposals with GM and Hummer and we will continue to engage with the appropriate authorities in an appropriate manner.”

Employees who answered the phone at the NDRC referred questions to its foreign affairs office, where calls were not answered.

Hummers, which roar along on oversize tires and can weigh up to five tons, are based on U.S. military vehicles that gained fame during the 1991 Gulf War. But sales have been battered by soaring fuel prices.

Tengzhong, based in the southwestern city of Chengdu, emerged as Hummer's surprise buyer this month after GM sought court protection from its creditors. The companies said the sale still required regulatory approval and refused to disclose the price.

Auto industry analysts questioned how Tengzhong, which makes construction vehicles such as cement mixers and tow trucks, could succeed with Hummer, known as “Han Ma,” or Bold Horse, in China.

GM said the planned sale would save some 3,000 jobs in the United States. Tengzhong said it would invest in research to create more fuel-efficient Hummers and would keep Hummer's headquarters and manufacturing in the United States.

The Chinese government is trying to promote conservation and use of more fuel-efficient vehicles. It has cut sales taxes on cars with smaller engines and is encouraging auto makers to develop electric and other alternative-energy vehicles.

Communist authorities are encouraging companies to expand abroad to diversify the economy but have cautioned against being too hasty or ambitious.

Tengzhong is privately owned, which means it is free of some of the controls on Chinese state-owned companies. But regulators still can block foreign acquisitions.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/doubt-cast-on-chinese-bid-for-hummer/article1198259/
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2009, 10:43:18 am »
50% of all GM cars in the future will be Chinese built, assemble and ship complete. This should come as no surprise. 

Are you for real?  First of all, those things have nothing to do with one another.  That's like comparing GM's assembly plants in Canada to a Canadian car company.  Second, the published numbers are around 5%, not 50%--a subcompact car (which is already made in South Korea, not North America) and a Buick version of the Cruze.
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2009, 11:15:20 am »
Why did GM buy into all these companies anyway? >:(

They should have been investing their profits into designing better cars and instead (like Ford) bought into foreign companies and other weird moves.

Part of the downfall of G.M. can be seen in their pursuit of Fiat, Hummer, Saab and others. :P

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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2009, 11:30:49 am »
Why did GM buy into all these companies anyway? >:(

They should have been investing their profits into designing better cars and instead (like Ford) bought into foreign companies and other weird moves.

Part of the downfall of G.M. can be seen in their pursuit of Fiat, Hummer, Saab and others. :P

The business model isn't fundamentally flawed; it's just that GM didn't succeed at it like, say, Volkswagen did.  The Honda two-brand structure is not the only path to financial success.  Don't forget that the Volkswagen Auto Group includes the following brands:

Volkswagen
Audi
Seat
Skoda
Bentley
Lamborghini
Bugatti

Seat and Skoda are VW's Pontiac and Saturn--much of what they sell are rebadged or tweaked VWs and Audis.  They may not sell them here, but there's often overlap--for example, you can buy both Seats and VWs in Mexico, and in the UK, you can buy Seats AND Skodas AND VWs. 

The last three brands are VW's Hummer and Saab (or more precisely, what Hummer and Saab could have, and should have, been)--they sell only a couple of models per brand, at low volume and high profit.  Obviously a Saab isn't on the same level as a Bentley, but you get the idea.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2009, 11:50:18 am »
You are correct Mitlov and don't forget that  Seat and Skoda are the domestic "peoples  cars" in their respective countries and have been for decades so when the EU single market was formed their "domesticity" expanded into a market bigger than the USA.
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Re: GM appears to have sold Hummer
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2009, 12:01:54 pm »
You are correct Mitlov and don't forget that  Seat and Skoda are the domestic "peoples  cars" in their respective countries and have been for decades so when the EU single market was formed their "domesticity" expanded into a market bigger than the USA.

Within Spain and the Czech Republic that makes sense to me.  But outside of those two countries, the "local brand" appeal evaporates and you're left with an Olsmobile effect.  Selling Skodas and Seats alongside VWs in the UK just strikes me as the same idea as selling Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs beside Chevies: "some people are used to buy these other brands, so we'll keep them alive, even though we're basically just rebadging our core products."