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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2009, 11:47:25 pm »

"Mozeby Says:
May 29, 2009, 03:57:46 pm Hey, you can't have your cake and eat it too.  You  complain about the size and how difficult it is too park, but then on the other hand not take into account having something this large that can carry 7 or 8 comfortably,"

Most DO NOT ever carry 7-8 people. More like 2-4
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2009, 10:02:27 pm »

A minivan would be cheaper, get better fuel economy and do just as well if not better at hauling people and stuff around. They're easier to park too.

If I read the article right, the tester doesn't even have AWD which I always thought was one of the justifications for buying a vehicle like this one. The Enclave doesn't make sense to me.

I disagree.

FUEL ECONOMY:  The Lambda crossovers and the Ford Flex actually get equivalent fuel economy to the Odyssey and Sienna, and better fuel economy than the Quest, Grand Caravan, and Hyundai/Kia minivans, if I recall correctly.  You can check the numbers from www.fueleconomy.gov.

CHEAPER:  The Enclave is going to be particularly "overpriced" because it's the fanciest of the four Lambda crossovers.  Still, you're right that a base Traverse is going to cost several thousand more than a base Sienna...though maybe incentives and financing deals even the playing field?

STORAGE SPACE:  Pretty equivalent.  Slight advantage to the minivans, but it's not night-and-day.  It's a smaller relative sacrifice than going from a sedan to a four-door coupe, and nobody suggests that VW CC owners are being socially irresponsible because they could have a bit more room with the same drivetrain in a Passat sedan.

EASIER TO PARK:  Why?  Big crossovers and minivans have about the same footprint and the same style of drivetrain.  Seems to me they would be equally hard or easy to park.

AWD VERSUS FWD:  If you're buying a vehicle for the interior space (just like you would on a minivan), why get AWD if you don't need it?  The Sienna offers AWD for those who want it, but for most people, FWD is cheaper and more fuel-efficient, and they really just want the vehicle for the storage space.  The same reasoning could work just as well for a Lambda crossover purchaser.

Basically, the difference between a large crossover and a large minivan isn't as big as many would think.  After all, except for the sliding doors, they're basically the same vehicles under the skin--large FWD-based unibodies with transverse-mounted V6s.  The biggest differences aren't objective performance differences (size, fuel economy, weight), but styling and door mechanisms.
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2009, 10:48:08 am »

Mitlov, I agree with everything except the storage space.  I don't think they're THAT comparable.  Minivans typically have a significantly lower floor than their SUVs giving them a lot more usable space.   

Compare the cargo area of the Enclave to the Sienna,  particularly the floor height of the comparted to the rear seats.

Enclave:

Sienna (note how the second row seat height is well off the floor.


Additionally, the Enclave has a cargo capacity of 3291 litres vs. 4220 for the Sienna.  That's a big difference.  Granted most people won't fill it but it could mean the difference between being able to fit that new TV in the back or having it delivered.


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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2009, 11:09:47 am »

Mitlov, I agree with everything except the storage space.  I don't think they're THAT comparable.  Minivans typically have a significantly lower floor than their SUVs giving them a lot more usable space.   

Compare the cargo area of the Enclave to the Sienna,  particularly the floor height of the comparted to the rear seats.

Additionally, the Enclave has a cargo capacity of 3291 litres vs. 4220 for the Sienna.  That's a big difference.  Granted most people won't fill it but it could mean the difference between being able to fit that new TV in the back or having it delivered.

Yeah, a minivan will give more height to the cargo area.  Personally, I think height is the least important dimension.  Back when I owned a wagon, I'd sometimes wish for more length or width to pack a certain load, but height was less important to me.

When you factor in height for a volume measurement of the cargo area, the Enclave is a step below an Odyssey or Sienna, but it's a step above many other three-row crossovers (20 cubic feet more than the new Highlander, for example).

That's why I think the CC-to-Passat analogy works.  A bit of a loss of interior space in the name of style, but still roughly comparable in terms of interior utility. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 07:48:25 pm »

Granted most people won't fill it but it could mean the difference between being able to fit that new TV in the back or having it delivered

I would rather get the TV delivered, in case it is dropped on the way home
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2009, 06:45:50 pm »

These Enclaves are really hard to get used. I have been looking to get one for my wife for a while but they are hard to find and expesnive when they are available.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2009, 06:53:41 pm »

I have been looking to get one for my wife for a while

 IS SHE WORTH $40k......MAYBE THROW IN YER FIRST BORN............. Roll Eyes Cheesy
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