Topic: Toyota may report $7 Billion 4th Quarter Loss

[toolatecrew]

[You are not accurate in your assessment of this situation. Perhaps being on here only since 2006 creates some of the misconception in your mind.

.  And Barrie doesn't immediately resort to name-calling and personal attacks when his position about some automotive or industry issue is challenged, which is something that bothers me a whole lot more than inaccurate information alone.

Well not since he banned for doing exactly that about a month ago right?

[articsteve]

Despite the drop, the Tundra's resale value remains higher than Chevrolet's Silverado (39.8%, down from 49.6%) and Ford's F-150 (32.2%, down from 45.6%)

Thank you for the reference. 

[articsteve]

 And Barrie doesn't immediately resort to name-calling and personal attacks when his position about some automotive or industry issue is challenged, which is something that bothers me a whole lot more than inaccurate information alone.

Mitlov, your fantastic. 

Barrie is the king of launching vile personal attacks.  He was just recently BANNED     I'm happy to have him back, but he is still on PROBATION.  When that period is over; HE WILL BE BACK. 

[Mitlov]

[You are not accurate in your assessment of this situation. Perhaps being on here only since 2006 creates some of the misconception in your mind.

.  And Barrie doesn't immediately resort to name-calling and personal attacks when his position about some automotive or industry issue is challenged, which is something that bothers me a whole lot more than inaccurate information alone.

Well not since he banned for doing exactly that about a month ago right?

Wow, I missed that.  Never mind.

I hate drama.

[Mitlov]

Despite the drop, the Tundra's resale value remains higher than Chevrolet's Silverado (39.8%, down from 49.6%) and Ford's F-150 (32.2%, down from 45.6%)

Thank you for the reference. 

Crowing about a difference of one-third-of-one percent in residuals is like crowing about a half-kilogram difference in towing capacity or a 1mm difference in legroom.

EDIT:  See what you Canucks have done?  I'm using metric!

[articsteve]

Despite the drop, the Tundra's resale value remains higher than Chevrolet's Silverado (39.8%, down from 49.6%) and Ford's F-150 (32.2%, down from 45.6%)

Thank you for the reference. 

Crowing about a difference of one-third-of-one percent in residuals is like crowing about a half-kilogram difference in towing capacity or a 1mm difference in legroom.

EDIT:  See what you Canucks have done?  I'm using metric!

THose above captioned stats are RESALE, not RESIDUALS.

Toyota @ 45.4%,  GM 39.8%,   FORD 32.3%

Can happen to anyone. I muffed up the Mustand convertible %. 

[Snowman]

What A lovely place the CTC has turned into. I’m glad that I get my jollies driving my WRX. Have a nice day.

[johngenx]

What A lovely place the CTC has turned into.

 

[hoss]

especially the Tundra.  That one is pure garbage and is an insult to pickup trucks in general.  It is a truck made by retards, for retards.  They made it pretty big, with a powerful engine.  Well, let's ignore the fact that the 2009 Ram destroys the Tundra in every category, and let's see the Toyota truck for what it is: a fragile piece of .  No one would dare working with that truck, forget it.  Also, it is way too expensive, regardless of the incentives or anything.  Chevy and Ford has WorkTruck versions of their pickups which are about 18 000, Toyota doesn't have the volume to even dream about competiting with that one.  And anyway, a Tundra WorkTruck would be an insult to anyone who actually works with their truck. 

Why do people comment on things they know nothing about? 

Patate have you ever even driven a Tundra? 

I must be a "retard" because I bought one of the Tundra work trucks that don't exist.  I'm hardly a Toyota  fanboy as this was my first Toyota.   I have owned many, many trucks over the years from half ton 6 cylinders to beafed up 1 ton oil burners.  Most of them have been Fords but there have been a few Chevs as well.  The Tundra while not perfect offered the best base model for my needs (I farm).  It contained all the safety stuff and included much more content then the domestics did, all in in a work Truck, it even had a vinyl floor.  After two years the truck has been good, it was back to the dealer for a small crack in the radio bezel (radio was replaced) and I'm watching my tailgate, Toyota it seems will replace them if they crack.  That's it.  I've gotten 24 mpg driving a long haul at the speed limit, it will pull my 8,000 pound stock trailer like it's not there and it's the quietest smoothest truck I have ever driven.

Is it perfect no way, it's stupid big (they all are), the paint needs to be tougher, and I wish I had waited the price dropped a bit, I might even have looked the discounted new F150's.

By the way I was in the Southern states during Christmas and was surprised at how many Tundras I saw being used as work trucks, oh but wait I'm a "retard" and Totyota does not make a work truck. And let's hook up that new Ram to my stock trailer and see how those coil springs work out.

[johngenx]

...oh but wait I'm a "retard"...

I think this thread (and a few choice others) has highlighted who the retards actually are...

[Patate]

especially the Tundra.  That one is pure garbage and is an insult to pickup trucks in general.  It is a truck made by retards, for retards.  They made it pretty big, with a powerful engine.  Well, let's ignore the fact that the 2009 Ram destroys the Tundra in every category, and let's see the Toyota truck for what it is: a fragile piece of .  No one would dare working with that truck, forget it.  Also, it is way too expensive, regardless of the incentives or anything.  Chevy and Ford has WorkTruck versions of their pickups which are about 18 000, Toyota doesn't have the volume to even dream about competiting with that one.  And anyway, a Tundra WorkTruck would be an insult to anyone who actually works with their truck. 

Why do people comment on things they know nothing about? 

Patate have you ever even driven a Tundra? 

A friend of mine's father has a 2007 (or 2008) Tundra 5.7 TRD. I got in that truck and I was amazed how little 45 000$ can afford you.  Apart from the rattle that comes from the dash on the passenger's side (when the fan is on), the little rust dots inside the passenger's door and the badly fit and finished interior, I really have nothing to say against it 

That's from my experience on this crappy truck.  I have never seen this truck work, because they do not work with it.  But if they did, the tailgate would fall off and the 5.7's camshaft would blow up.  Oh and you gotta see the TRD accessories in there, the ugly shifter and pedals, right out of a Scion.  It is not a real truck ,it is a joke.  And for the record, I almost put the Ram in the same category, but at least the Hemi is a much superior engine, and you actually see some Rams in construction sites, even if that truck isn't made to work hard, like a Ford or GM.

The Ford F-150 is the most solid and reliable truck out there, but the bad side is the Triton Engine.  Which is why I would get a Chevy if I had the needs for a truck, but I don't.. So I stay away from the trucks.  If everyone had the same attitude towards truck, there wouldn't be many Tundras on the road, and there would be less Rams.  AT LEAST, the Tundra doesn't sell anymore.  Thank God.

[Juke1]

The interior design of the Tundra is as bad as it gets, it has an outdated look, terrible design.  Chevrolet for me if I needed a truck but I don't.  The frame is a  big weakness http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/16/toyota-tundra-fails-to-score-five-stars-in-nhtsa-frontal-crash-t/

[hoss]

So you based your earlier post on seeing a freinds father's truck, who never used it for work but if he did it would fall apart.

Altima I think if you compared the base work truck from Chev and the Tundra work truck you would find the Tundra's dash is very good.  Toyota made mistakes with the Tundra and one was using the same dash for all the models.  The work truck is the same except it's all black.  On a base truck it looks very nice on a $50,000 truck it looks a little cheap.

When people really use their trucks things seem different. Long box regular cabs are the work horses.  The Chev RC LB is a very dated, there is no room behind the seats.  In the Tundra I can put 5 gallon pails back there. In the Tundra the seats are better, the storage is much better, the motors/transmissions far better, safety stuff is all standard (no so elsewhere). The brakes are bigger as are the wheels and tires and it has a higher standard towing load rating, etc. On the other hand the  Chev looks much better.  Want to take about tailgates on 4 of the Chev trucks I looked at the botton of the tailgate was not even painted, just primed.  The Toyota take a lot of heat about the Tundra's frame being a hybrid and not fully boxed.  The Tundra's frame has to cost more to make so why did they do it (remember Toyota spends more on R & D then the all of the others combined)  I think perhaps the answer is that they knew a 3/4 ton was coming and they wanted to use the same frame. (again if you know trucks you will know that HD trucks have "C" channel frames). 

 As for the crash testing, I think you will find that in further testing the Tundra did get a higher rating.     The Chev. comes out only average on side impacts and the Tundra good. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/pickup-trucks/ratings-reliability/safety.htm 

 I drove all the trucks and did a ton of research, plus I have owned a pick up for over 30 years.  I use trucks as trucks not urban/home depot cruisers.  Perhaps this is why I get somewhat annoyed when someone bases their comments on "they know someone who has a friend who has had a problem".  It's funny but when Toyota, Honda etc. made inroads into the car market not much was said, people just drove their Civics and Camrys, but when they built a full sized truck all hell breaks loose.  Many times I have had to explain to people that my truck actually has a high or higher, North American content (over 80%) then those from the big three.

[articsteve]

Hoss:

.0001 % of the ppl on this forum have never owned a late model 1500 series truck or driven one and yet they are all experts.

Palate turns out to be a kid.

The Toyota 1/2 tons sell less because they cost more.  Every component is larger or heavier built.  A comparison of the drive shafts tells the story.  PPL who hate the success of Toyota cling on to every reported failing thinking that like the domestics, it never gets corrected or takes a complete model generation to do so.

Currently the domestics are either selling at cost or a loss.  If I were a cash paying customer I'd be getting a F150.  Last month the discount for a 4 door was $8000 plus $1000 in extras, this month a stripper 2 door has 6K off.  That is just to attractive to ignore. 

[tpl]

Artic    you mean "ever" not never and .0001%  is  1 in a million. Well there are not 1,000,000 members and certainly several admit to owning past or present a truck.   

Exaggeration kills otherwise good arguments.  Bad numbers do as well.


Anyway  I freely admit to never having driven a pickup truck, and never owning one, nor will I ever own one.   

[Cord]

Currently the domestics are either selling at cost or a loss.

Any proof?

[articsteve]

Artic    you mean "ever" not never and .0001%  is  1 in a million. Well there are not 1,000,000 members and certainly several admit to owning past or present a truck.   

Exaggeration kills otherwise good arguments.  Bad numbers do as well.


Anyway  I freely admit to never having driven a pickup truck, and never owning one, nor will I ever own one.   

Artic    you mean "ever" not never

 You must be having an extremely very boring day. 

Ya know I've read that maybe 10 times and "never" still seems right to me.  I don't think I'll "never" get it.  But you do know my language skills suck.  Go beat on AB. 

 and .0001%  is  1 in a million   

You are too brilliant SIR!

Exaggeration kills otherwise good arguments.  Bad numbers do as well.

Whose was arguing? and if you took that decimal literally you need to pop open a brew 

[tpl]

i just could not resist it after all the posts quoting sales figures and the posts exaggerating The supposed closure of Toyota factories.   

[Patate]

Hoss:

.0001 % of the ppl on this forum have never owned a late model 1500 series truck or driven one and yet they are all experts.

Palate turns out to be a kid.

The Toyota 1/2 tons sell less because they cost more.  Every component is larger or heavier built.  A comparison of the drive shafts tells the story.  PPL who hate the success of Toyota cling on to every reported failing thinking that like the domestics, it never gets corrected or takes a complete model generation to do so.

Currently the domestics are either selling at cost or a loss.  If I were a cash paying customer I'd be getting a F150.  Last month the discount for a 4 door was $8000 plus $1000 in extras, this month a stripper 2 door has 6K off.  That is just to attractive to ignore. 

If 21 years old is a kid then I guess I am.

You can't compare a Tundra's component to a F-150 one.  The Ford IS MORE SOLID.  The driveshaft is at least twice as big, that is a truck made to work.

Also, how can you say Ford and GM sell their trucks as a loss? IN YOUR OPINION, they do.  But the truth of the matter is that no matters if they sell it at a loss or not (they probably make money off them, but I can't prove it)that they kept Toyota out of the fullsize pickup market, and that is a part of why Toyota loses 5x more money than Ford.  Truth hurts, doesn't it?  The F-series sells around 7000 units every month in Canada.  How about the Tundra? They're lucky if they sold 700 of them.  They lose money with the whole Tundra "adventure".  How can you even expect that Texas plant to be profitable, when Toyota spent 300-350 millions $ on marketing the truck in 2007? In 2007, I would have agreed with you that the Tundra could actually be a competitor to the Big 3 pickups, but in 2009 you can't even suppose that this generation will have a chance of actually being worthy of being called a competitor.  Forget it buddy, this flop has been horrible for Toyota.  Even the Toyota execs have said they were ashamed on how the truck turned out to be so cheap.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/tundra-problems-bring-shame-to-toyota.html

I'm surprised you still support that awful product.  Choose debates you can win: I suggest you start talking about the Rav4, it is an overall better product and you can argue that it is better than an Escape.  But the Tundra? 

[toolatecrew]

Hoss:

.0001 % of the ppl on this forum have never owned a late model 1500 series truck or driven one and yet they are all experts.

Palate turns out to be a kid.

The Toyota 1/2 tons sell less because they cost more.  Every component is larger or heavier built.  A comparison of the drive shafts tells the story.  PPL who hate the success of Toyota cling on to every reported failing thinking that like the domestics, it never gets corrected or takes a complete model generation to do so.

Currently the domestics are either selling at cost or a loss.  If I were a cash paying customer I'd be getting a F150.  Last month the discount for a 4 door was $8000 plus $1000 in extras, this month a stripper 2 door has 6K off.  That is just to attractive to ignore. 

If 21 years old is a kid then I guess I am.

You can't compare a Tundra's component to a F-150 one.  The Ford IS MORE SOLID.  The driveshaft is at least twice as big, that is a truck made to work.

Twice as big is it now?

Interesting. You have anything to even remotley prove this? Pictures even some spec sheet or dimensions.

TWICE as big? WOW pretty big statment .