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Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« on: April 23, 2009, 05:54:05 pm »
DETROIT — The Treasury Department is preparing a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing for Chrysler that could come as soon as next week, people with direct knowledge of the action said Thursday.

The Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing, said these people, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Moreover, Fiat of Italy would complete its alliance with Chrysler while the company is under bankruptcy protection.

The only major question that remains unresolved is what happens to Chrysler’s lenders, who hold $6.9 billion in company debt. The government’s most recent offer, presented Wednesday, would give the company’s lenders about 22 cents on the dollar, or $1.5 billion, and a 5 percent equity stake in a reorganized Chrysler. Earlier this week, a steering committee of the lenders proposed that they receive 65 cents on the dollar, or $4.5 billion, and a 40 percent equity stake.

If no agreement is reached between the government and Chrysler’s lenders, a nasty legal fight could emerge in bankruptcy. The creditors’ claims are backed by most of the company’s collateral, including plants, brands and equipment, and the senior lenders will argue that they have first claim on those assets — even over and above the government’s debt.

"In a negotiation like this, everything is speculation until there’s a deal,” said an administration official who did not want to be named because the talks are private. “It should surprise no one that the administration is planning on contingencies, but we remain focused on the goal and engaged with all stakeholders to bring Chrysler and Fiat to a working partnership.”

A Treasury spokeswoman declined to comment.

A bankruptcy filing by Chrysler would be the first among Detroit’s troubled automakers, who have been mired in a devastating sales slump since last fall. Treasury is also working with General Motors to prepare a possible bankruptcy case, and the terms of a Chrysler filing might offer a glimpse into the shape of G.M.’s own filing.

Some analysts questioned whether the Treasury’s steps to prepare a bankruptcy case were an effort to put more pressure on lenders, with which it has exchanged proposals meant to reduce Chrysler’s debt. Chrysler faces an April 30 deadline from the Treasury, while G.M. faces a June 1 deadline in its own efforts to draft a new restructuring plan.

Under the most likely assumptions, Treasury will provide the financing that Chrysler needs to operate while under bankruptcy protection. The Canadian government is also expected to participate in backing the company.

The Globe and Mail of Toronto reported the Canadian government’s role on Thursday.

Last month, the Obama administration told Chrysler it would provide up to $6 billion in financing if Chrysler and Fiat could complete a deal by the end of this month. Fiat originally agreed to take 35 percent of Chrysler, but the stake was subsequently reduced to 20 percent. The administration said it would provide up to $6 billion in financing if the two companies agreed, on top of $4 billion in federal assistance that Chrysler has already received.

Although the two companies have been holding discussions on an out-of-court agreement, a bankruptcy case would allow Fiat to more easily select the assets of Chrysler that it wants to preserve, such as dealerships, factories and the company’s product development operations, these people said. The approach, which relies upon Section 363 of the federal bankruptcy code, is somewhat similar to what the government is planning in the case of G,M..

Then, Chrysler could sell or jettison any assets it does not want to keep, and cancel franchise agreements with superfluous car dealers.

“Chrysler has consistently said that its viability will be enhanced through an alliance with Fiat, as it represents a change in the company’s business model that expands its global competitiveness,” said Lori McTavish, Chrysler’s vice president of communications. “As we move forward in this process, we believe it’s important to keep all options open.”

Ms. McTavish said Chrysler would continue to work through the end of the month, based on direction given by the President’s auto task force, “to secure the support of the necessary stakeholders and reach a successful conclusion that the administration and U.S. Treasury deems appropriate.”

The U.A.W., Chrysler and Treasury have reached agreements in principle that would protect workers’ benefits, people with knowledge of the negotiations said, and a similar agreement is expected to be reached as soon as this weekend with the Canadian Auto Workers union.

Once Chrysler emerges from bankruptcy protection, it would largely be owned by Fiat, the U.A.W., the Treasury and its lenders, these people said. A bankruptcy filing would likely wipe out existing equity stakeholders, notably Cerberus Capital Management, which took over the carmaker from Daimler in 2007.

Ron Gettelfinger, the U.A.W.’s president, issued a statement on Wednesday saying that the union was “continuing to work toward an agreement that will be in the best interest of Chrysler workers, retirees and the communities where the company does business.”

People close to the talks said Wednesday that the U.A.W. had tentatively agreed to accept Chrysler stock to finance half of the company’s $10.6 billion obligation to the health care trust. The balance would be paid in cash over the next decade. That money presumably could come from either the Treasury, or from Chrysler’s profits, once it emerges from bankruptcy protection.

Chrysler has a $9.3 billion pension shortfall, or 34 percent of its total liability, according to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. The agency said earlier this month that it would assume $2 billion of the shortfall in the event Chrysler terminates its pension plans.

If that happened, retirees would receive sharply lower benefits than they normally would expect. But Chrysler is not obligated to terminate its pension plans while in bankruptcy, particularly if it received federal assistance to fund them.

It was not clear Thursday where Chrysler would file its bankruptcy case. On Wednesday, Mike Cox, the attorney general of Michigan, urged General Motors and Chrysler to consider filing in the state, rather than Delaware or New York. He said a locally administered case would be more convenient for creditors in Michigan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/business/24chrysler.html
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 06:35:02 pm »
Most of the lenders in the US probably have taken TARP money which means the Treasury Dept has their hooks into them already and probably has ways to pressure them to not act on their security. Looks like the banks are going to be the ones getting screwed for a change in this case!
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 12:04:27 am »
I guess the banks will find some creative ways to screw the customers. In the end the taxpayers will be screwed by both the Gov and the banks.

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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 02:32:16 am »
I guess the banks will find some creative ways to screw the customers. In the end the taxpayers will be screwed by both the Gov and the banks.

Hey you gotta take the money from somewhere...

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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 07:32:21 pm »
http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wchryslerdeal0424/BNStory/Business/home

The above link to the Globe&Mail ROB article on the CAW caving in to the demand of Chrysler in order to help avoid bankruptcy. This was something that the CAW had to do, all the BS and rhetoric aside. One piece of the puzzle, now we'll see what happens with the lenders and the Fiat deal... ???

Also expected to be the template for the CAW deal at GM Canada.
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 09:09:15 pm »
I'm somewhat surprised that Lewenza seems to have caved after all the posturing in the last week.  I still don't see much of a future if any for Chrysler.
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 10:33:12 pm »
Encouring news.  Much work yet to be done, but it is a good first step.
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 11:06:49 am »
Chrysler may stay away from bankrupcy after all. The only piece of the puzzle left is the agreement with Fiat.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/28/breaking-chrysler-lenders-u-s-treasury-reportedly-agree-to-te/

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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 11:13:57 am »
"JEEP" at the price...................someone ate 4BILLION..........why !!!!
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 11:19:31 am »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al89RU9gWof8&refer=home

If VEBA gets 55%, Fiat 35%, Feds 10% what's left for Cerberus? Are they out? This looks like the Feds will nationalize Chrysler and then hand it over to UAW and Fiat while keeping a piece for themselves.
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 11:34:45 am »
.... ??? ::)  sounds like tha  MA"FIAT".............. :popo:
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 11:48:34 am »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al89RU9gWof8&refer=home

If VEBA gets 55%, Fiat 35%, Feds 10% what's left for Cerberus? Are they out? This looks like the Feds will nationalize Chrysler and then hand it over to UAW and Fiat while keeping a piece for themselves.


I predict Cerberus walk away with GMAC and Chrysler Financial.
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 12:03:49 pm »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al89RU9gWof8&refer=home

If VEBA gets 55%, Fiat 35%, Feds 10% what's left for Cerberus? Are they out? This looks like the Feds will nationalize Chrysler and then hand it over to UAW and Fiat while keeping a piece for themselves.


I predict Cerberus walk away with GMAC and Chrysler Financial.

Cerberus is the equity player, they get nothing, which is what Chrysler is basically worth without govt assistance. Cerberus are big boys, they take the hit and do a better job next time. I have zero sympathy for the likes of Cerberus. No one should help vulture capitalists....

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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 12:39:28 pm »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al89RU9gWof8&refer=home

If VEBA gets 55%, Fiat 35%, Feds 10% what's left for Cerberus? Are they out? This looks like the Feds will nationalize Chrysler and then hand it over to UAW and Fiat while keeping a piece for themselves.


I predict Cerberus walk away with GMAC and Chrysler Financial.

Cerberus is the equity player, they get nothing, which is what Chrysler is basically worth without govt assistance. Cerberus are big boys, they take the hit and do a better job next time. I have zero sympathy for the likes of Cerberus. No one should help vulture capitalists....


This is right, but on the paper, Cerberus owns 100% of Chrysler now that Daimler gave up their 20% stake to Cerberus. How do they go from 100% ownership to 0% ownership outside of bankruptcy? I think Chrysler is truly being nationalized by the Feds.

However, some reports are saying indeed that Cerberus would get both GMAC and Chrysler Financial (after the Feds will forcefully marry them and give them a big fat wedding gift in the form of few billions) and Cerberus will win big from this arrangement due to access to low interest money since GMAC is now a bank. It looks like the "capitalist vultures" still win.


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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 03:04:48 pm »
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al89RU9gWof8&refer=home

If VEBA gets 55%, Fiat 35%, Feds 10% what's left for Cerberus? Are they out? This looks like the Feds will nationalize Chrysler and then hand it over to UAW and Fiat while keeping a piece for themselves.


I predict Cerberus walk away with GMAC and Chrysler Financial.

Cerberus is the equity player, they get nothing, which is what Chrysler is basically worth without govt assistance. Cerberus are big boys, they take the hit and do a better job next time. I have zero sympathy for the likes of Cerberus. No one should help vulture capitalists....


This is right, but on the paper, Cerberus owns 100% of Chrysler now that Daimler gave up their 20% stake to Cerberus. How do they go from 100% ownership to 0% ownership outside of bankruptcy? I think Chrysler is truly being nationalized by the Feds.

However, some reports are saying indeed that Cerberus would get both GMAC and Chrysler Financial (after the Feds will forcefully marry them and give them a big fat wedding gift in the form of few billions) and Cerberus will win big from this arrangement due to access to low interest money since GMAC is now a bank. It looks like the "capitalist vultures" still win.



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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 06:07:56 pm »
Obama planning to announce Chrysler bankruptcy tomorrow
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a97rZxZqE4S8&refer=home

"President Barack Obama aims to announce tomorrow that Chrysler LLC will be placed into Chapter 11 bankruptcy, leading to an alliance with Italian automaker Fiat SpA, people involved in the matter said. ..."

"... The Italian company would become a 20 percent owner of Chrysler, and a union retiree health-care trust fund would own 55 percent, with the rest of the company staying in the government’s hands initially, the people said. ..."
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 06:14:25 pm »
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 03:31:07 am »
I'm all for it.  Remember that this is a Chapter 11 reorganization, not a Chapter 7 liquidation.

Chapter 11 will let Chrysler get out of arrangements with the UAW, which are a major sticking point in the Fiat deal.  However, I sincerely doubt that they would be allowed to alter warranty arrangements, because that would prevent long-term viability, and Chapter 11 is all about making a business viable in the long-term.  Throwing the UAW under the bus wouldn't hurt Chrysler long-term; throwing owners under the bus would.  So guess who is going to get the short end of the stick?
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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 04:07:39 am »
Just put the fork in her now.  The US Federal government cannot possibly underwrite two completely failed auto companies at the same time.  This just has to be political theater; the process of setting up the game plan for GM's restructuring.

Just how much will the Canadian taxpayer dump down this hole called Chrysler  ???

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Re: Feds preparing bankruptcy filing for Chrysler...
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 09:58:43 am »
I notice this bit in today's Globe:

'If the No. 3 Detroit auto maker goes into bankruptcy protection as expected, it will be split into two companies, with its key Canadian operations being placed into the part of the company that will emerge from creditor protection and form the basis for the Fiat-Chrysler strategic alliance. Unwanted assets will be hived off into another company.'

So it looks like at least some of the Canadian operations will be saved.