Topic: Is there no M1 0W30 in *Canada*?

[Squishy]

I think we get just under a month's worth of below -29'C weather here in Orillia each year.  About a week of temperatures down to -40'C.  During those days you can hear everyone's belt squealing in pain as they start up their cars.

I run 10,000-15,000 km intervals with the Petro Canada 0W-30, depending on the engine.  That's roughly a year-long interval, although I could still see the dealership refusing to submit a warranty claim because you have 0W-30 in summer time - if they really wanted to squeeze every penny out of you.

Do you plan on keeping the vehicle long after the warranty expires?  A synthetic 5W-30 should have no problems during winter; consider using one of those until the warranty expires, and then switch to 0W-30.  Heck, I bet there are a lot of old-timer mechanics up here who still use 10W-40 in everything.

Personally, no warranty is going to tell me what to do with my car; I think I voided most of the Escape's warranty within the first two years.  If they deny it, I'll just take it home and fix it cheaper and better than their techs would.

[tpl]

 In my experience Wind chill is never used in relation to mechanical equipment as its a measure of the rate of cooling. 

You are right. I think wind chill only has meaning to warm blooded creatures! But my slight point was the the GM owners manual doesn't exclude WC for attaining their magical -29 #. 

 In that context I have not experienced 4 days in the 20 years I lived in southern Ontario where I've seen -29c

But as I see you reside in balmy SW Ontario . I went to Weathernetwork.ca hoping I could easily determine such a statistic but I couldnt see how to obtain such data  .  I'd love to know.

I haven't owned many cars but do other manufacturers mention in their owner's manual the possible use of the 0W30? It seems to me that one sees this only for GM products?

Anyways I am enjoying the discussion KRS.

here is the weather stats site

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/canada_e.html

Wind chill applies to anything that is attempting to preserve its own temperature. 

I don't think I have seen any TRUE -29 days in 30 years of living in TO, nearest was a -26 IIRC

As for 0w-30   Some of them, "German Castrol" being one claim to be approved as BMW LL-01 so that's BMW.

As for VW approved oils, there is a VW document, updated every so often, that shows ALL the VW 501,502,503,505 approved oils, most of which are not available in NA. I don not remember any 0w-30 in there but there is Mobil One 0w-40 which I use for top ups in my VW ( the dealer uses Syntec 5w-40 )

[21Rouge]

I don't think I have seen any TRUE -29 days in 30 years of living in TO, nearest was a -26 IIRC

Although I live in the Toronto area our cars do take us further afield to colder climes for hockey e.g. Barrie, Orillia, Ottawa

Again not trying not to beat this to death with semantics but looking at the wording in the manual ,GM permitting 0W30 due to (extreme) cold doesn't seem to explicitly rule it out when it could be much warmer. They cant expect one to remove the 0W30  when the temp starts to climb; just thinking out loud.

[Squishy]

Wind chill applies to anything that is attempting to preserve its own temperature. 

True, although not in the "Weather Network" sense of it cooling to below ambient temperature.  Windchill as it applies to a warm engine block would affect it by bringing it to ambient temperature more quickly, but will not go below that.  It is typically water that evaporates in an endothermic process and cools things to below ambient temperature, and that's why humans can feel colder than it really is when there is wind.  The engine block probably gets windchill in the rain, although I've never really thought about it.

[tpl]

Wind chill applies to anything that is attempting to preserve its own temperature. 

True, although not in the "Weather Network" sense of it cooling to below ambient temperature.  Windchill as it applies to a warm engine block would affect it by bringing it to ambient temperature more quickly, but will not go below that.  It is typically water that evaporates in an endothermic process and cools things to below ambient temperature, and that's why humans can feel colder than it really is when there is wind.  The engine block probably gets windchill in the rain, although I've never really thought about it.

yes. I don't think that a human's temperature would fall below ambient either... but then humans can't stand their core temp dropping very much before they die.  "Feeling" colder is a wholly subjective thing.

[Squishy]

You're right.  It's just the moisture on our skin evaporating that further speeds up the cooling.

You develop these ideas when you first hear about them as a kid, and then never really think about it after you understand the science behind it.  It's almost ridiculous to think of a human's core temperature dropping to even ambient winter temperatures, but I never even questioned my idea about it until now.

[Cord]

I think I voided most of the Escape's warranty within the first two years.  If they deny it, I'll just take it home and fix it cheaper and better than their techs would.   

Better maybe. But cheaper than a warranty repair?

[PJungnitsch]

Esso bulk fuel and lubricant dealer.  Esso XD 0W30 = Group 4 oil.   Mobil 1 = Group 3 oil.

I believe that anything 0 weight is a PAO oil,, Esso XD, Mobil 1, Castrol, Amsoil, etc, because only PAO's can meet the cold temperature flow spec.

This would also explain why 0 weight oils are also usually labeled 'European formula', as European standards do not accept group III oils as synthetic.

[safristi]

"MIOW30"...............wasn't he banned in Kanada,,,,,,,,,,

[Honda Owner]

In my experience Wind chill is never used in relation to mechanical equipment as its a measure of the rate of cooling.

Wind chill does not affect machinery as it is a measure of evaporate cooling, so it is a measure of cold vis a vis human skin.

[21Rouge]

Don't know if they still carry it or not but it was the only place I could find it here at that time.

FWIW I called Imperial Oil and they confirmed that M1 0W30 is not currently distributed in Canada.

[safristi]

 WELL OIL BE FACKED..................... ............".O" WW that hurts.............. ...greasy buggers those Euro lads.........

[barrie1]

My old Seville which is a 1984 with a 4.1 engine in it calls for either 5-w-30 or 15-w-40 which basically is a diesel grade lube. It runs much quieter with this grade and has never used any oil since its was built as well. Even with the 5-w-30 it was very quiet engine but I strongely suspect you could run that 12 months a year and not cause any harm at all even living in a colder climate then SW Ont where I am myself as well. I really doubt you would ever have any problems with GM over this issue when you can't even buy this grade at their own dealerships. How in Earth would they be able to give you any flack when they don't even carry here in Canada themselves? 

[Minou]

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_e.html?Province=ALL&StationName=toronto&SearchType=BeginsWith&LocateBy=Province&Proximity=25&ProximityFrom=City&StationNumber=&IDType=MSC&CityName=&ParkName=&LatitudeDegrees=&LatitudeMinutes=&LongitudeDegrees=&LongitudeMinutes=&NormalsClass=A&SelNormals=&StnId=5097&

For Pearson, Days with Minimum Temperature < -30 is 0.1 for a full year.

It rises to 5.2 for temperature < -20.

BTW, I currently run leftover XD3 0W-30 I had in my stack in my Sonata speced for 5W-30 or 5W-20.

[articsteve]

Don't know if they still carry it or not but it was the only place I could find it here at that time.

FWIW I called Imperial Oil and they confirmed that M1 0W30 is not currently distributed in Canada.

Perhaps because they already distribute Esso XD 0W30 in boxes marked EXXON  , but for 50% of the Mobil price.  Would be amusing to discover it Mobil 0/30 was the same as XD 0/30. 

[21Rouge]

FWIW I called Imperial Oil and they confirmed that M1 0W30 is not currently distributed in Canada.

Perhaps because they already distribute Esso XD 0W30 in boxes marked EXXON  , but for 50% of the Mobil price.  Would be amusing to discover it Mobil 0/30 was the same as XD 0/30. 

Except they did say that it M1 0W30 should be available in Canada by early summer.

[ktm525]

FWIW I called Imperial Oil and they confirmed that M1 0W30 is not currently distributed in Canada.

Perhaps because they already distribute Esso XD 0W30 in boxes marked EXXON  , but for 50% of the Mobil price.  Would be amusing to discover it Mobil 0/30 was the same as XD 0/30. 

Except they did say that it M1 0W30 should be available in Canada by early summer.

Forget the mobil. Esso XD-3 0W-30 is as good if not better and half the price. Also German Castrol 0W-30.