Topic: Is there no M1 0W30 in *Canada*?

[21Rouge]

I was on the Mobil Canada page http://www.mobil.com/Canada-English/LCW/Products_Services/Mobil_1.asp
and noticed that 0W30 is not listed  .

Only

5W-20   
0W-40   
5W-30   
10W-30   
5W-50


I know I purchased the M1 0W30 viscosity a couple of years back at Cdn Tire or Part Source...has it been pulled sometime since then?

[vdk]

Why Mobil1? There's Lubromoly, Royal Purple, Elf, Amsoil, Castrol...

[articsteve]

Shake off that Mobil 1 monkey.

Esso bulk fuel and lubricant dealer.  Esso XD 0W30 = Group 4 oil.   Mobil 1 = Group 3 oil.

Do the math. 

Comes in either 4x4 litre jugs (could be 3.7 litre) or 12 litre bottles.   Has Exxon plastered all over the box if it makes you feel better about it.

50% less expensive than Mobil UNO.      

[21Rouge]

Thanks Guys for the editorial comment .

I was just surprised that I could no longer see this viscosity on Esso/Mobil website for Canada but it is there on Mobil in the States (under Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy).

[21Rouge]

I do know of the quality of Esso XD 0W30. I bought a case several years ago and used in successfully (UOA confirmation) even in a 4 cylinder engine as well as a 6 cylinder.

I am looking a bit ahead to a new car with a Direct Injection engine. I plan to couple of early oil changes and then for the next, which I will sample for analysis, I will choose a GM approved oil (read warranty). That is an oil satisfying GM6049M. As I recall M1 0W30 and Petro-Canada 0W30 are the *only* ones on the list of this viscosity.

I know there are probably many oils without this accreditation that are superior e.g.  XD and German Castrol (I have some of this in my basement ). But given the lack of financial resources at GM for the foreseeable (sp?) future I do not want any excuse, no matter how minuscule, of a rejected warranty claim by the General.

[tpl]

But surely an oil that satisfies that GM standard will be fine whatever viscosity it is.   GM standard undoubtedly specifies some viscosity.

[21Rouge]

But surely an oil that satisfies that GM standard will be fine whatever viscosity it is.   GM standard undoubtedly specifies some viscosity.

For sure there are several viscosities specified but I prefer to use a 0W30 and on the GM list there are only 2 which are 0W30.

[Squishy]

The other oil companies probably never bothered to pay for the testing.  Mobil1 is what GM dealerships carry in the States, and Petro Canada is what they carry in Canada.  Maybe you can check if dealerships have 0W-30 in jugs instead of drums, as it's not a popular grade of oil.

I forgot to mention this in my PM to you, but my distributor did mention that their supplier warned that they couldn't get new stock of 0W-30 anymore.  Both me and my distributor assumed that it was a packaging issue due to the name change from Arctic to Supreme Synthetic, but with this news about Mobil1 I'm not so sure. 

It doesn't make much sense to discontinue in 0W-30 in Canada and sell it to the States...we're the ones that need it!

[barrie1]

Thats a expensive oil to buy even at a oil wholesale as I still have a part case of Mobil-0w30 in my shop. I need it for a special pump that I have on my power washer which specifies it. Cost me around $96.00 for a case of 12 about 3 years ago now at Case and Drum which is a oil wholesaler here in London Ont.  Don't know if they still carry it or not but it was the only place I could find it here at that time.  I am sure there are other oils GM would except instead of this as its very difficult to obtain here if possible at all.   

[21Rouge]

Don't know if they still carry it or not but it was the only place I could find it here at that time.  I am sure there are other oils GM would except instead of this as its very difficult to obtain here if possible at all.   

Barrie I know there are other GM approved oils. FWIW see here for an up to date list:

http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/maintenance/gm_approved_engine_oils.pdf

My original post was to express my surprise that M1 0W30 was currently not available in Canada.

Maybe the advantages of using the more expensive 0W30 is small relative to a quality syn. 5W30 but at this point the incremental cost isn't an issue.

[KRS]

  Reading this got me looking in the owners manual for my new GMC. It does state right in the manual to look for three thing.
  1. Meets GM Standard GM6049M
  2. SAE 5w30
  3 API starburst symbol.

  For my Sierra it allows 0w-30 only for environmental conditions below -29C. It still allows 5w-30 in below -29c conditions by the way. If you are worried that GM is going to use any excuse to reject warranty and your new Traverse has the same information in its owners manual, go 5W-30 as you will find it very difficult to claim it was -29 c when you changed oil in middle of July anywhere short of the northern part of the Nunavut territories.

  I'm glad you started this post as i didn't notice the GM standard on my first read thru the manual and it may have saved me from some issues as well although it appears the oil i normally use is on their registered products list.

[21Rouge]

For my Sierra it allows 0w-30 only for environmental conditions below -29C. It still allows 5w-30 in below -29c conditions by the way. If you are worried that GM is going to use any excuse to reject warranty and your new Traverse has the same information in its owners manual, go 5W-30 as you will find it very difficult to claim it was -29 c when you changed oil in middle of July

Not to beat this to death but for argument sake:

How often, if ever ?, one gets a temp of -29 C south of...say Orillia in Ontario? If we allow for wind chill then it wouldn't be uncommon (I bet our GM manuals don't make this distinction).

But if it is affirmative that it has been such a temperature within say 300 km of ones address and so knowing that, one could safely justify putting in an approved 0W30 in July as today's OLM might take your car and its oil well into the cold weather of fall and winter before indicating the need for an oil change! With this argument one gets better protection of 0W30 all year round.   

[KRS]

 In my experience Wind chill is never used in relation to mechanical equipment as its a measure of the rate of cooling. When I moved to Manitoba wind chill was reported in watts per square meter of cooling. For an engine, if it is -25c then it is -25c, even if for a person it feels like -35. The only effect wind chill may have would be in the size of radiator that may be needed.

   In that context I have not experienced 4 days in the 20 years I lived in southern Ontario where I've seen -29c and as GM allows 5w-30 in below -29c temps I don't see successfully arguing this to a judge when you are suing GM for denied warranty because they only allow 0w-30 in -29c conditions if you put it in in mid July. I personally don't see a problem with using 0w-30 if that's your choice but if you are worried that GM is going to look "for any excuse no matter how miniscule" then this may be something that you find leads to lawyers bills higher then the warranty costs.

 I can say that i have used 5w-30 in GM vehicles for more then 20 years in both southern Ontario and in both Thompson and Winnipeg Manitoba, which is a damn site colder then anywhere southern Ontario and have never had a failure of a GM engine or part of a GM engine with more then 600 000 km of driving.  Now accessories are a whole other issue but GM's engines have always stood up for me using the basic 5w-30 oil meeting the API quality oil specified.

 If warranty is the concern using 5w-30 leaves no questions. Using 0w-30 does leave room to question.

 

[vdk]

Can't find your favorite oil? At least you have more than 5 options altogether. 

[21Rouge]

 In my experience Wind chill is never used in relation to mechanical equipment as its a measure of the rate of cooling. 

You are right. I think wind chill only has meaning to warm blooded creatures! But my slight point was the the GM owners manual doesn't exclude WC for attaining their magical -29 #. 

 In that context I have not experienced 4 days in the 20 years I lived in southern Ontario where I've seen -29c

But as I see you reside in balmy SW Ontario . I went to Weathernetwork.ca hoping I could easily determine such a statistic but I couldnt see how to obtain such data  .  I'd love to know.

I haven't owned many cars but do other manufacturers mention in their owner's manual the possible use of the 0W30? It seems to me that one sees this only for GM products?

Anyways I am enjoying the discussion KRS.

[airbalancer]

AT the local GM dealer they have a after 5 pm special of$23 for oil filter and lube
At that price it not worth getting your hands dirty

[21Rouge]

Can't find your favorite oil? At least you have more than 5 options altogether. 

So what are the 5 choices for a VW?

[21Rouge]

AT the local GM dealer they have a after 5 pm special of$23 for oil filter and lube
At that price it not worth getting your hands dirty

Who knows where that oil has been  .

That after "5 pm special" is common to many GM dealers? The Pontiac dealer I sometimes have gone to for warranty service still requires an appt for an oil change...I think.

[airbalancer]

AT the local GM dealer they have a after 5 pm special of$23 for oil filter and lube
At that price it not worth getting your hands dirty

 

That after "5 pm special" is common to many GM dealers? The Pontiac dealer I sometimes have gone to for warranty service still requires an appt for an oil change...I think.

 

What is problem with getting a apptment

[21Rouge]

What is problem with getting a apptment

Just that it requires advance planning  .

I thought the local Honda dealer advertises non appt oil changes...or maybe now that I think of it just gives a max time for the change (say less than 20 minutes) (but one still needs to make the appt ?)