|
vdk
|
 |
« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2009, 01:26:34 pm » |
|
In MKIVs if the CEL isn't on.. the bulb's out... not something I'd lose sleep over. Why can't it pass inspection?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Audi Lover
Guest
|
|
« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2009, 04:40:10 pm » |
|
To all the basher's of Audi's reliability, I would say reliability is all relative.
For the Audi buyer, who usually craves driving pleasure, and wants the best-of-the-best, they only drive their Audi for a few years before switching to a newer model Audi to enjoy updated modern-day driving. As long as the Audi can last for the 3 yrs, as far as the Audi buyer is concerned, it is plenty reliable.
The Toyota/Honda buyer who wants monotony, and drive the rust-bucket to the ground, wishes their tin-on-wheels could last 30-40 years, but maybe the Toyota was only reliable for 10-15 yrs. Therefore, it's reliability as far as it's target audience is concerned, is quite dismal.
The problem is people confuse reliability with quality, but they are totally separate entities. If they were the same, we wouldn't associate quality cars with Audi/BMW/MB/Ferrari, but would associate them with the likes of Toyota and Hyundai. Thank goodness we don't.
 |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
vdk
|
|
« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2009, 05:03:00 pm » |
|
He's got a point though... how many luxury car owners keep their cars past the 4 year mark? Not many I presume. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Jaeger
|
|
« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2009, 06:39:39 pm » |
|
He's got a point though... how many luxury car owners keep their cars past the 4 year mark? Not many I presume.
You presume that based on what? Jaeger |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Jaeger
|
|
« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2009, 06:44:53 pm » |
|
To all the basher's of Audi's reliability, I would say reliability is all relative.
For the Audi buyer, who usually craves driving pleasure, and wants the best-of-the-best, they only drive their Audi for a few years before switching to a newer model Audi to enjoy updated modern-day driving. As long as the Audi can last for the 3 yrs, as far as the Audi buyer is concerned, it is plenty reliable.
The Toyota/Honda buyer who wants monotony, and drive the rust-bucket to the ground, wishes their tin-on-wheels could last 30-40 years, but maybe the Toyota was only reliable for 10-15 yrs. Therefore, it's reliability as far as it's target audience is concerned, is quite dismal.
The problem is people confuse reliability with quality, but they are totally separate entities. If they were the same, we wouldn't associate quality cars with Audi/BMW/MB/Ferrari, but would associate them with the likes of Toyota and Hyundai. Thank goodness we don't.
Audi Lover - I have a hard time viewing a car that can only be extpected to last 3 years as the "best-of-the-best".  I think the "problem" is some blowhard fanboys don't realize that you can have driving fun AND reliability. It doesn't have to be an "either / or" proposition. C'mon - tell me again how Audi owners would be "offended" if the manufacturer made their cars more reliable. I need a good laugh, and that one just doesn't get old. Jaeger |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
mmret
|
|
« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2009, 07:38:06 pm » |
|
This guy is pretty funny. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Have: 06 TSX, 07 Z4 3.0si Roadster
Sometimes Borrow: 11 GLK
Had: 01 GrandAm, 07 Civic
Dream: SLS AMG
|
|
|
onearmed
Auto Obsessed
 OfflineVehicle: 2003 VW GTI 1.8T
Location: Toronto
Posts: 537
 
|
|
« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2009, 09:13:02 pm » |
|
Quote" Audi Lover Says:
Yesterday at 07:28:22 pm Audi doesn't need to build reliable cars, because they drive so well. They wouldn't sell an extra car even if it was more reliable than a Lexus, b/c quite frankly, Audi buyers might be offended. I'd think that they wasted resources on reliability at the expense of driving pleasure.
Just like if Lexus made their cars more fun to drive, their sales would decrease. Their buyers look forboredom and reliability as their chief goal, and that's why Lexus needs to build their cars off corolla and camry platforms (admittely those platforms are quite reliability)."
Only idiots buy unreliable vehicles for driving pleasure. How much driving pleasure can you derive from having your car in the shop for weeks at a time or being stranded in death valley in July? The only reality is if you are the kind of person who has a chauffeur driven vehicle(s) then it really doesn't matter if it's a unreliable POS because your staff will be at the dealer for repairs and you will just use another POS that hasn't broken down yet. For the rest of us we'll have our cake and eat it too. Lexus IS
An expert's take on VW reliability(from boston.com/cars): Q. I have a 2000 Volkswagen Jetta and the computer light constantly comes on. I recently I replaced the oxygen sensor then filled up with gas and the light went out. The next day it came back on. What can I do? It can't pass inspection and every time I put it in the shop it costs more money. The car has 107,000 miles so I don't consider it worn out. What can I do? A. At this point I would return to the shop that performed the original repair. Since they seemed to have misdiagnosed the problem, at a minimum they owe it to you to look at the car again. As they get older, Volkswagens suffer from simple items such as cracked and leaking vacuum hoses to faulty mass-air-flow sensors. John Paul is the public affairs manager for AAA Southern New England. LOL My most recent repair was for the vacuum hose and pump, so this guy was on the money! This was my first CEL and I honestly thought my CELs would be more frequent than once in every 125000km. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
vdk
|
|
« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2009, 09:35:32 pm » |
|
He's got a point though... how many luxury car owners keep their cars past the 4 year mark? Not many I presume.
You presume that based on what? Jaeger On the average luxury car owner who knows nothing about cars and changes his/her ride every 4 years.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Mitlov
|
|
« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2009, 02:02:40 am » |
|
This guy is pretty funny.
...in the way that A Modest Proposal was funny. I'm betting that he's an online persona created for satirical purposes. If he's for real...that's just sad. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jaeger
|
|
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2009, 08:32:06 am » |
|
He's got a point though... how many luxury car owners keep their cars past the 4 year mark? Not many I presume.
You presume that based on what? Jaeger On the average luxury car owner who knows nothing about cars and changes his/her ride every 4 years. That's what I'm asking - how do you how often the average luxury car owner changes his car and why do you assume 4 years? Reason I ask is that is that I know a few Lexus and MB owners that have kept their cars 7-10 years. I have no basis upon which to conclude that they represent the rule or the exception. I suppose a large percentage do in fact flip more quickly, because a large portion do lease. I'd guessing that those that buy keep them longer - though that's just a guess. Jaeger |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
vdk
|
|
« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2009, 11:40:54 am » |
|
Actually most lease..
Those of you who own luxury cars, would you like let us know how often you change your cars? Most people I know who own 50-80k cars lease for 2-3 years so they can dump it for something new sooner... |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ReokLothe
Guest
|
|
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2009, 03:57:42 am » |
|
Отличный блог, интересное и полезное содержание!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ktm525
|
|
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2009, 05:37:08 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+  The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
|
|
« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2009, 05:47:18 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+ The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Enlightenment. The air smells sweeter. Birds sing more cheerfully. Sex is better. Life is good with a manual transmission. - GD, 2009
|
|
|
|
ktm525
|
|
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2009, 06:04:15 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+ The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah. Negotiating. Nothing final. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
|
|
« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2009, 08:12:57 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+ The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah. Negotiating. Nothing final. Well then, negotiate harder so we can drool over your new ride!! |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Enlightenment. The air smells sweeter. Birds sing more cheerfully. Sex is better. Life is good with a manual transmission. - GD, 2009
|
|
|
|
2hondas1BMW
|
|
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2009, 08:36:42 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+ The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah. Wow. I don't think I have ever seen a A6 Avant... |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Mine: 2004 Acura TSX
Family: 2005 Honda Odyssey EX, 2006 BMW 330i
|
|
|
|
ktm525
|
|
« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2009, 11:59:36 pm » |
|
I'm negotiating on a 2008 A6 Avant right now. Should be a good price, the original sticker was $80k+ The optional air suspension really drives smooth. Like buttah. Wow. I don't think I have ever seen a A6 Avant... Rare for sure. At the price that Audi asks for no wonder.... |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
vdk
|
|
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2009, 12:25:57 am » |
|
But it looks amazing..  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
ktm525
|
|
« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2009, 04:25:52 pm » |
|
Negotiation has ground to a halt.  Oh well, papy always said you have to be willing to walk away.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
