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GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« on: March 30, 2009, 12:59:11 pm »
So.....If GM Canada has been told by Ottawa to go back to the CAW and get a better deal (and rightly so...GM blew that deal). Where does that leave Ken L and the CAW's "no change in the pattern" stance vis a vis Chrysler?????
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 03:34:28 pm »
GM Canada and GM USA are 2 different Companies basically altho they share the same head office. They are not in such serious trouble here as they are in the US by comparison at all. GM got a decent kickback from the CAW already or they would not have settled for what they did.  :)
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2009, 03:38:10 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 30, 2009, 03:34:28 pm
GM Canada and GM USA are 2 different Companies basically altho they share the same head office. They are not in such serious trouble here as they are in the US by comparison at all. GM got a decent kickback from the CAW already or they would not have settled for what they did.  :)

Any proof of your statement?

GM said GM Canada has to negotitate their own deal to be profitable. The Government has said their plan and deal with CAW are NOT GOOD ENOUGH. They are serious touble. Denying it is beyond foolish.

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For General Motors, this means a more fundamental restructuring of its products and its operations, including its costs, and this also includes continuing concerns about their legacy costs here in Canada,"
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-autos/idUSN3034849820090330?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

If you can't provide a link to any basis for your staments we'll just assume it doesn't exisit and you are talking out your azz.

No link no credibility. PERIOD
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm »
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 06:53:18 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:

You have it backwards, Barrie.  YOU have to prove your point with links....not everyone disproving you with links.  Although that should be easy enough to do...most of us are experts at it now....
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 06:53:41 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:

If you can't provide a link to any basis for your staments we'll just assume it doesn't exisit and you are talking out your azz.

No link no credibility. PERIOD

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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 08:13:03 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:

So, here's some more of today's news for you, Barrie (from the Globe&Mail ROB, Mar31/09): and I quote:

"To stave off an immediate crisis, the federal and Ontario governments offered the bridge loans - including up to $3 billion for GM - to allow them to continue operating while they work to satisfy US and Canadian govt demands." (bolds added by me).

"Chrysler was unable to meet it's Canadian payroll today without a $250 million advance on a $1 billion bridge loan from Canadian taxpayers."

"Acting in concert with the Obama administration, Industry Minister Tony Clement gave GM and Chrysler LLC a short window to retool their survival plans and come up with greater savings from their unions, suppliers and dealers - and, in Chrysler's case, finalize a planned strategic alliance with the Italian firm of Fiat, SpA."

Does this sound like companies that are dealing from strength? Does this sound like the unions involved can say NO to additional cuts? Ford and Chrylser are NOT pleased with what the CAW has done with GM, and the deal will be re-opened again, no doubt.

Reality check time - bankruptcy for Chrysler is just about guaranteed, and is very likely also for GM.
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 08:34:27 pm »
Reality check yourself and watch the news. You just might learn something. If I have to supply links which I have done in my last post then lets start to see yours with the opposite views. You have never done that yet TLC yet continue to accuse others on here. Of course if you don't watch TV its easy to deny it exists which has happened many times before.  :(
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 08:39:48 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 08:34:27 pm
If I have to supply links which I have done in my last post


^^Barrie...I just looked over this whole thread, and you have not supplied a single link in ANY post.  What link are you referring to?? The invisible ones??   :rofl:
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 08:54:21 pm »
Can't you read the 1st sentence at all? Are you blind or just stoned and drunk? Do you ever watch the news or read to-morrows paper perhaps? I am sure many other posters have already seen it but it seems you are behind again.  :(
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 09:00:24 pm »
"Watching the news" is not providing a link.  That's like me saying "I saw it in the library".

Oh man...you don't even know what a link is, do you??
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 09:12:27 pm »
Getting back on topic.... Even the government recognizes that the unions are a serious contributing problem with these companies lack of viability.  Good job.
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 09:59:27 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 08:34:27 pm
Reality check yourself and watch the news. You just might learn something. If I have to supply links which I have done in my last post then lets start to see yours with the opposite views. You have never done that yet TLC yet continue to accuse others on here. Of course if you don't watch TV its easy to deny it exists which has happened many times before.  :(

"Reality check yourself and watch the news" - There has NEVER been a link provided by you to support your comments. Saying "watch the news on TV" is not a link. Do you understand what a link is? It would appear not. My post was clear, and you can look in today's Globe&Mail, ROB section and find the exact words I quoted.

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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 10:04:35 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 08:54:21 pm
Can't you read the 1st sentence at all? Are you blind or just stoned and drunk? Do you ever watch the news or read to-morrows paper perhaps? I am sure many other posters have already seen it but it seems you are behind again.  :(

If you can't provide a link to any basis for your staments we'll just assume it doesn't exisit and you are talking out your azz.

No link no credibility. PERIOD

In case you didn't know a link looks like this

www.proveyouarenotaliar.com

The "information" you provide based on your "watching TV,reading it, hearing it" has been PROVEN to be false repeatedly. What you reacll has been proven false repeadly.

If you can't provide a link to any basis for your staments we'll just assume it doesn't exisit and you are talking out your azz.

No link no credibility. PERIOD

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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 10:19:17 pm »
This Reminds Me of Childhood Arguments

And it's a link so it must be true.
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 02:18:04 pm »
Quote from: barrie1 on March 31, 2009, 06:40:44 pm
You are the one making the claim I am lieing with your statment so its up tp you to prove that I did, Better have some links to prove me wrong as well. If you watch the news to-day you will see what I have just seen on the local news which was a Bigshot from GM stating that they don't require any more money back from the CAW as they have enough now in order to be completely competative with the US side of the Industry. GM is very pleased already with what the CAW has done for them. Prove me wrong with a link TLC as you are the one making all the accusations. Put up or STFU for a change yourself.  My 1st sentence here is my link so watch the TV and see for yourself. Try to deny it and your credebility is less then 0000 as well. Even Honda Canada is offering buyouts to get rid of staff and has frozen the wages of all staff as well as things are that bad for them also. Thats is also to-days latest news.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl2:

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The new head of General Motors says the company has not decided whether it will ask the Canadian Auto Workers to reopen a recently signed labour agreement.

PROOF

If they are "Happy" why is he unsure?

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/03/31/gm-henderson.html

You need to rewatch the news.
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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 02:40:33 pm »
I say the earth is flat!!

I heard it on the news, they said so!! You're all blind and stoned.

Prove me wrong, give me a link!

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Re: GM and CAW...."Try Again"
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 02:44:32 pm »
Somebody have been watch a little too much of the Fox News Re-broadcast.
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