CD Article: 2010 Volvo XC60

[ktm525]

I would consider Subaru but they always seem to be lacking in interior room. Driver/passenger legroom always seems to be short supply. I haven't tried a Tribeca. Is this related to the boxer layout?

[Eric Green]

Over the generations, the cars have become more complex, more expensive, and in many ways, less reliable in comparison to other cars...   That old 245 wagon has quite a bit on common with my Forester in terms of a "spirituality."

From first-hand experience, I can absolutely attest to these statements. The 200/700/900 series Volvos were the cars that made Volvo's reputation for durability, longevity, toughness, etc. Even with 200K on one, it makes for a compelling used-car purchase solution.

[Bullet Blue]

Interesting comparo between the XC60 and the XC60 diesel. Too bad the d won't be making it to our shores 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4302658.html

[adjutor]

Another overpriced Volvo. You can buy a well equiped infiniti EX35 for around 40k. A VW tiguan starts at $27,375, the top of the line is $38,500.
Volvo's reliability is awful. Their resale value is one of the worst on the market. I dont think a Volvo is safer than those cars or a Mercedes, a BMW or a Subaru. I did not see Volvo's crash test results. Still journalist seem to be blinded by Volvo's safety gadgets.
In résumé, no wonder their sales went down by 47%

[Bullet Blue]

I dont think a Volvo is safer than those cars or a Mercedes, a BMW or a Subaru. I did not see Volvo's crash test results.

I was gonna say something, but you did a pretty good job discrediting yourself. You don't think Volvos are safer, yet you admit you haven't actually seen Volvo's safety results. 

[Trainman]

I would consider Subaru but they always seem to be lacking in interior room. Driver/passenger legroom always seems to be short supply. I haven't tried a Tribeca. Is this related to the boxer layout?

The current generation Forester has lots of rear seat room.

As for Volvo, its not even on my radar despite my Dad having had one of those mid 80 Turbo's.  Sorry Volvo, I think you have lost your way.

[adjutor]

I dont think a Volvo is safer than those cars or a Mercedes, a BMW or a Subaru. I did not see Volvo's crash test results.

I was gonna say something, but you did a pretty good job discrediting yourself. You don't think Volvos are safer, yet you admit you haven't actually seen Volvo's safety results. 

Hi bullet blue.I did not see the XC60 safety results. Have you? For their other cars are their results better than VW tiguan, infiniti EX35,mercedes c class, acura, any subaru? The answer is no.  But I understand Volvo to emphasize on their safety gadgets . They have nothing else to justify their ridiculously high prices. In february 2009 can you prove me that Volvo safety gadgets make their cars safer ''in vivo''? Show me some serious studies (not including Volvo studies or journalist opinion)) I will believe you... and the journalists.

[Bullet Blue]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

[adjutor]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

The article is about the XC60. But I was not clear. My mistake.  But as you say, it was not tested yet so nobody can tell if it will be safer than any other car.

[ktm525]

I would consider Subaru but they always seem to be lacking in interior room. Driver/passenger legroom always seems to be short supply. I haven't tried a Tribeca. Is this related to the boxer layout?

The current generation Forester has lots of rear seat room.

As for Volvo, its not even on my radar despite my Dad having had one of those mid 80 Turbo's.  Sorry Volvo, I think you have lost your way.

How is the front seat room? The Legacy seat travel was not enough in the driver seat and especially in the front passenger seat. As nice as they were this is one of those things that crosses a car off of a list.



This Volvo crash video shows that they own everyone.  http://www.truveo.com/volvo-crashes/id/797381608

[MKII]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

The article is about the XC60. But I was not clear. My mistake.  But as you say, it was not tested yet so nobody can tell if it will be safer than any other car.

If you do your homework and read up about Volvo Cars and their philosphy towards safety, you'll find it educational I am sure. Volvo doesn;t just make cars safe for the testing, they are made safe in terms of real life driving situations. You can take from that whatever you like.

BTW the Euro NCAP has awarde the XC60 5 star safety rating.

[adjutor]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

The article is about the XC60. But I was not clear. My mistake.  But as you say, it was not tested yet so nobody can tell if it will be safer than any other car.

If you do your homework and read up about Volvo Cars and their philosphy towards safety, you'll find it educational I am sure. Volvo doesn;t just make cars safe for the testing, they are made safe in terms of real life driving situations. You can take from that whatever you like.

BTW the Euro NCAP has awarde the XC60 5 star safety rating.

I know their philosophy ,I had 4 Volvo and was once a ''Volvoman'' . But again, in 2009 Volvo, are not safer than subaru, VW, acura, mercedes, audi.  If you go on any of these company site they will say that safety is a priority. If you find one car company  telling '' in our philosophy  we dont care about safety '' just tell me!
I perfectly know that Volvo puts great effort toward safety, it is their only sales pitch. They should do the same toward reliability , fuel efficiency (  the  T6 engine is quite thirsty and their diesel is not available in north america) and espacially customer services that ,in my experience, is less than mediocre. They should also be realistic and lower their price.
Volvo must open their eyes and stop denying their problems. Their sales plunge by 63% in USA and 47% in Canada, about the worst score in the car industry. Their must be good reasons isn't it?
Presently Volvo cars are very bad investment. You gonna pay it way to much, in two years they gonna lose half of their value ( again about the worst score in the industry) and you probably gonna have problems.
So Volvo stop surfing on your past reputation and do something!! We want to find back our invincible, good value for the money Volvos

[carcrazy]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

The article is about the XC60. But I was not clear. My mistake.  But as you say, it was not tested yet so nobody can tell if it will be safer than any other car.

If you do your homework and read up about Volvo Cars and their philosphy towards safety, you'll find it educational I am sure. Volvo doesn;t just make cars safe for the testing, they are made safe in terms of real life driving situations. You can take from that whatever you like.

BTW the Euro NCAP has awarde the XC60 5 star safety rating.

I know their philosophy ,I had 4 Volvo and was once a ''Volvoman'' . But again, in 2009 Volvo, are not safer than subaru, VW, acura, mercedes, audi.  If you go on any of these company site they will say that safety is a priority. If you find one car company  telling '' in our philosophy  we dont care about safety '' just tell me!
I perfectly know that Volvo puts great effort toward safety, it is their only sales pitch. They should do the same toward reliability , fuel efficiency (  the  T6 engine is quite thirsty and their diesel is not available in north america) and espacially customer services that ,in my experience, is less than mediocre. They should also be realistic and lower their price.
Volvo must open their eyes and stop denying their problems. Their sales plunge by 63% in USA and 47% in Canada, about the worst score in the car industry. Their must be good reasons isn't it?
Presently Volvo cars are very bad investment. You gonna pay it way to much, in two years they gonna lose half of their value ( again about the worst score in the industry) and you probably gonna have problems.
So Volvo stop surfing on your past reputation and do something!! We want to find back our invincible, good value for the money Volvos

LOL... The car, ANY car, is an EXPENSE not an INVESTMENT. There might be very few exceptions, but do not apply to the cars that common people could buy.
ANY car's value drops double digits the next miunute you drive it off the lot.

[adjutor]

You said Volvo, meaning just the brand. You didn't specify the model. This car isn't even for sale yet, so there won't be any safety tests any time soon, obviously.

The article is about the XC60. But I was not clear. My mistake.  But as you say, it was not tested yet so nobody can tell if it will be safer than any other car.

If you do your homework and read up about Volvo Cars and their philosphy towards safety, you'll find it educational I am sure. Volvo doesn;t just make cars safe for the testing, they are made safe in terms of real life driving situations. You can take from that whatever you like.

BTW the Euro NCAP has awarde the XC60 5 star safety rating.

I know their philosophy ,I had 4 Volvo and was once a ''Volvoman'' . But again, in 2009 Volvo, are not safer than subaru, VW, acura, mercedes, audi.  If you go on any of these company site they will say that safety is a priority. If you find one car company  telling '' in our philosophy  we dont care about safety '' just tell me!
I perfectly know that Volvo puts great effort toward safety, it is their only sales pitch. They should do the same toward reliability , fuel efficiency (  the  T6 engine is quite thirsty and their diesel is not available in north america) and espacially customer services that ,in my experience, is less than mediocre. They should also be realistic and lower their price.
Volvo must open their eyes and stop denying their problems. Their sales plunge by 63% in USA and 47% in Canada, about the worst score in the car industry. Their must be good reasons isn't it?
Presently Volvo cars are very bad investment. You gonna pay it way to much, in two years they gonna lose half of their value ( again about the worst score in the industry) and you probably gonna have problems.
So Volvo stop surfing on your past reputation and do something!! We want to find back our invincible, good value for the money Volvos

LOL... The car, ANY car, is an EXPENSE not an INVESTMENT. There might be very few exceptions, but do not apply to the cars that common people could buy.
ANY car's value drops double digits the next miunute you drive it off the lot.

Like most of the things we buy, I know that. I fnished my fifth grade!!! It was a not so subtle way to say that Volvo has one of the worst resale value on the market. On the other way, an used Volvo could be a bargain. Just buy the best warranty you can find!

[Mitlov]

I know their philosophy ,I had 4 Volvo and was once a ''Volvoman'' . But again, in 2009 Volvo, are not safer than subaru, VW, acura, mercedes, audi.  If you go on any of these company site they will say that safety is a priority. If you find one car company  telling '' in our philosophy  we dont care about safety '' just tell me!
I perfectly know that Volvo puts great effort toward safety, it is their only sales pitch. They should do the same toward reliability , fuel efficiency (  the  T6 engine is quite thirsty and their diesel is not available in north america) and espacially customer services that ,in my experience, is less than mediocre. They should also be realistic and lower their price.
Volvo must open their eyes and stop denying their problems. Their sales plunge by 63% in USA and 47% in Canada, about the worst score in the car industry. Their must be good reasons isn't it?
Presently Volvo cars are very bad investment. You gonna pay it way to much, in two years they gonna lose half of their value ( again about the worst score in the industry) and you probably gonna have problems.
So Volvo stop surfing on your past reputation and do something!! We want to find back our invincible, good value for the money Volvos

Last time I checked (which admittedly was a year or so ago) the Volvo S60 was the single most reliable vehicle coming out of Europe right now.

[adjutor]

 If you compare to BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW you're probably right. But there are other nice cars out there. Reliability speaking, would you choose a Volvo or a Lexus, Infiniti, Porsche, Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Honda. ?

[ktm525]

If you compare to BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW you're probably right. But there are other nice cars out there. Reliability speaking, would you choose a Volvo or a Lexus, Infiniti, Porsche, Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Honda. ?

Porsche.   Seriously my 06 V70R has been very very  reliable (1 software glitch, 10 minute fix while I waited) in the three years and 50k kms in has travelled. As a bonus the service department  has gone above and beyond  when dealing with the them.  The reliability has been a nice surprise and the service level has been far beyond the VW, Mazda, and Toyota experiences I have had.

I guess based on that I pick Volvo?

[adjutor]

If you compare to BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW you're probably right. But there are other nice cars out there. Reliability speaking, would you choose a Volvo or a Lexus, Infiniti, Porsche, Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Honda. ?

Porsche.   Seriously my 06 V70R has been very very  reliable (1 software glitch, 10 minute fix while I waited) in the three years and 50k kms in has travelled. As a bonus the service department  has gone above and beyond  when dealing with the them.  The reliability has been a nice surprise and the service level has been far beyond the VW, Mazda, and Toyota experiences I have had.

I guess based on that I pick Volvo?
 I was not so lucky. On my 2004 S60R ,the transmission broke down at 2000km, before 50 000km the AWD system,  front left suspension (twice), many sensors had to be replaced. The car had vibration problems , recurrent ETM problems. I've reached 3 others S60R owners that had some of the same problems. Some of the anwsers I had from Volvo : ''buy an extended warranty, the S60R was not made to resist road and weather conditions in Québec '' This is not a joke,they told me that. In ''La Presse'' ,a major Québec newspaper, the S60R was called a ''bide'' french word  for lemon or failure. It seems I was not the only unlucky guy!!
The last time I've seen  Porsche's reliability score , they were among the best.

[ktm525]

If you compare to BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW you're probably right. But there are other nice cars out there. Reliability speaking, would you choose a Volvo or a Lexus, Infiniti, Porsche, Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Honda. ?

Porsche.   Seriously my 06 V70R has been very very  reliable (1 software glitch, 10 minute fix while I waited) in the three years and 50k kms in has travelled. As a bonus the service department  has gone above and beyond  when dealing with the them.  The reliability has been a nice surprise and the service level has been far beyond the VW, Mazda, and Toyota experiences I have had.

I guess based on that I pick Volvo?
 I was not so lucky. On my 2004 S60R ,the transmission broke down at 2000km, before 50 000km the AWD system,  front left suspension (twice), many sensors had to be replaced. The car had vibration problems , recurrent ETM problems. I've reached 3 others S60R owners that had some of the same problems. Some of the anwsers I had from Volvo : ''buy an extended warranty, the S60R was not made to resist road and weather conditions in Québec '' This is not a joke,they told me that. In ''La Presse'' ,a major Québec newspaper, the S60R was called a ''bide'' french word  for lemon or failure. It seems I was not the only unlucky guy!!
The last time I've seen  Porsche's reliability score , they were among the best.

It is a long known industry trade secret that Volvo unloads their lemons in Quebec. Gotta buy your Volvo in Ontario.

[adjutor]

If you compare to BMW, Mercedes, Audi and VW you're probably right. But there are other nice cars out there. Reliability speaking, would you choose a Volvo or a Lexus, Infiniti, Porsche, Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Honda. ?

Porsche.   Seriously my 06 V70R has been very very  reliable (1 software glitch, 10 minute fix while I waited) in the three years and 50k kms in has travelled. As a bonus the service department  has gone above and beyond  when dealing with the them.  The reliability has been a nice surprise and the service level has been far beyond the VW, Mazda, and Toyota experiences I have had.

I guess based on that I pick Volvo?
 I was not so lucky. On my 2004 S60R ,the transmission broke down at 2000km, before 50 000km the AWD system,  front left suspension (twice), many sensors had to be replaced. The car had vibration problems , recurrent ETM problems. I've reached 3 others S60R owners that had some of the same problems. Some of the anwsers I had from Volvo : ''buy an extended warranty, the S60R was not made to resist road and weather conditions in Québec '' This is not a joke,they told me that. In ''La Presse'' ,a major Québec newspaper, the S60R was called a ''bide'' french word  for lemon or failure. It seems I was not the only unlucky guy!!
The last time I've seen  Porsche's reliability score , they were among the best.

It is a long known industry trade secret that Volvo unloads their lemons in Quebec. Gotta buy your Volvo in Ontario.

I'll know for the next time. We receive Volvo's lemons you have the Toronto Maple leafs. Call it even!!!