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« Reply #180 on: January 27, 2009, 08:35:47 am » |
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Nah, I'm not saying everyone SHOULD drive one, but you are saying it's impossible and it can't be done and it's a big headache and you'll spin out at every intersection and really that's just bologna.
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« Reply #181 on: January 27, 2009, 08:57:12 am » |
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I drove AWD cars for 15 years and then purchased RWD which I've had now for almost 5 years and driven every year of those 5 in the Winter. With dedicated snow tires, LSD and Traction Control, you would have to be a Dick-head to get stuck.
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« Reply #182 on: January 27, 2009, 09:44:58 am » |
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I drove AWD cars for 15 years and then purchased RWD which I've had now for almost 5 years and driven every year of those 5 in the Winter. With dedicated snow tires, LSD and Traction Control, you would have to be a Dick-head to get stuck.
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Where I live, a RX-8 wouldn't be able to get out of my street most mornings after an average snowfall. The drivetrain is only a part of what I'm saying... I'd much rather have a RWD truck than a low FWD car during winter... But I'd MUCH rather be driving an AWD SUV!  |
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« Reply #183 on: January 27, 2009, 09:51:07 am » |
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I thought you lived in the same city as me.... you don't see RX8's I see them all the time. I curl with a guy that just bought one, we had that huge dump of snow, no plow came by and we were in carp out in the middle of nowhere, I thought, oh oh I may have to tow him, but he had no issues. |
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quadzilla
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« Reply #184 on: January 27, 2009, 10:02:45 am » |
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The snow is always deeper on the other side of the street.  |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #185 on: January 27, 2009, 10:37:50 am » |
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I thought you lived in the same city as me.... you don't see RX8's I see them all the time. I curl with a guy that just bought one, we had that huge dump of snow, no plow came by and we were in carp out in the middle of nowhere, I thought, oh oh I may have to tow him, but he had no issues.
Wow...that's impressive. I drove a Miata for years until about 4 years ago when I started to have issues being unable to get out of the driveway. (we seem to have been getting more snow in the last 4 or 5 years eh?) The issue seemed to be ground clearance. It didn't seem to take that much snow for the vehicle to be raised off the ground...and poof...there goes your contact patch...you're like a turtle on a rock. |
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« Reply #186 on: January 27, 2009, 11:02:48 am » |
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Bah whatever. I know what I see. There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side. And when plows do come, they leave huge 'waves' of snow all over the place that lower cars just can't get thru without either getting stuck or doing damage to their bumpers or underbellies.
Anyways, to get back on topic (again), I really like the Genesis, and it's a real pity that it's not offered in AWD. Here's to hoping that Hyundai will realize this soon and offer the option shortly! |
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« Reply #187 on: January 27, 2009, 10:02:17 pm » |
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...There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side.
Without winter tires, obviously. Our Corolla has no problems whatsoever, even when seriously scraping the bottom along the snow. Wifey was in the Corolla and she passed an MDX that was struggling in a fresh snowfall on an unplowed street. I was behind her in the Scoob, and just for fun I passed on the previous windrow side. My RWD Merc had no extra ground clearance, no LSD, no ASR and no ESP. Put great snowies on 'er and wasn't stuck once in 11 years and 300K. Drove it in all conditions, including the mountains. |
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« Reply #188 on: January 27, 2009, 10:20:34 pm » |
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I really like the [insert car name here], and it's a real pity that it's not offered in AWD. Here's to hoping that [insert manufacturer here] will realize this soon and offer the option shortly!
RWD cars don't even touch the ground, ever... And if you drive anything but an AWD SUV then you're never going to get out of your drive in Winter. RWD is dangerous, FWD is dangerous, wheels are dangerous, in fact, I don't even like driving, what forum is this...? Where am I?
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« Reply #189 on: January 27, 2009, 10:23:03 pm » |
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I really like the [insert car name here], and it's a real pity that it's not offered in AWD. Here's to hoping that [insert manufacturer here] will realize this soon and offer the option shortly!
RWD cars don't even touch the ground, ever... And if you drive anything but an AWD SUV then you're never going to get out of your drive in Winter. RWD is dangerous, FWD is dangerous, wheels are dangerous, in fact, I don't even like driving, what forum is this...? Where am I?
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #190 on: January 27, 2009, 10:33:33 pm » |
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...There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side.
Without winter tires, obviously. Our Corolla has no problems whatsoever, even when seriously scraping the bottom along the snow. Wifey was in the Corolla and she passed an MDX that was struggling in a fresh snowfall on an unplowed street. I was behind her in the Scoob, and just for fun I passed on the previous windrow side. My RWD Merc had no extra ground clearance, no LSD, no ASR and no ESP. Put great snowies on 'er and wasn't stuck once in 11 years and 300K. Drove it in all conditions, including the mountains. To Quad's point, the car I drove was a 1980 Celica, back when Toyota made RWD cars. My Dad was a smart car guy; winter tires were mandatory. The rest was up to me, and I learned very quickly, as Wing pointed out, that accelerating too energetically in slippery situations or in turns lead to the back end wanting to lead me in a different direction. A soft touch to feel the grip, then a slow increase on the throttle got me through just fine. I still do that with my FWD Jetta from a habit standpoint, but it works as well... Slip, feel the grip, move, shift up... and away we go. I still outrun everyone from a standing stop at a red light in snowy conditions, no matter where I go in wintry weather. And yes... I get a kick out of it. |
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« Reply #191 on: January 27, 2009, 10:45:33 pm » |
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To Quad's point.....
How much I'd like to credit, it wasn't me. Anyway, further to these points..... If you hard throttle a RWD car in a corner you create oversteer. But if you did this with a FWD car you will still create understeer and slide into the curb, other car, people, something. If you did it in an AWD car, you will still slide in the corner. So really, it doesn't matter what you drive if you don't know how to drive. Driving in winter requires more care....period. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #192 on: January 27, 2009, 10:52:50 pm » |
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Bah whatever. I know what I see. There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side. And when plows do come, they leave huge 'waves' of snow all over the place that lower cars just can't get thru without either getting stuck or doing damage to their bumpers or underbellies.
Anyways, to get back on topic (again), I really like the Genesis, and it's a real pity that it's not offered in AWD. Here's to hoping that Hyundai will realize this soon and offer the option shortly!
Given the first paragraph, doesn't sound like you'd want a Genesis sedan even if it HAD all wheel drive. Adding AWD isn't going to boost the ground clearance above that of a "normal-height car." |
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"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
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« Reply #193 on: January 28, 2009, 07:37:43 am » |
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...There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side.
Without winter tires, obviously. Quebec now has a law that forces you to have winter tires, and from what I'd see on the roads, I'd say that 95% of the population did conform and bought winter tires... And besides, tires can't help you when they barely touch the ground... |
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« Reply #194 on: January 28, 2009, 07:43:32 am » |
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Bah whatever. I know what I see. There's plenty of people with 'normal-height' cars like Civics and such that have trouble getting around in unplowed streets on the Quebec side. And when plows do come, they leave huge 'waves' of snow all over the place that lower cars just can't get thru without either getting stuck or doing damage to their bumpers or underbellies.
Anyways, to get back on topic (again), I really like the Genesis, and it's a real pity that it's not offered in AWD. Here's to hoping that Hyundai will realize this soon and offer the option shortly!
Given the first paragraph, doesn't sound like you'd want a Genesis sedan even if it HAD all wheel drive. Adding AWD isn't going to boost the ground clearance above that of a "normal-height car." That's true... but even on a low car, the AWD would prevent it from getting stuck most of the time. I'd still be far from ideal because of clearance. The in-betweens are my favorite types of vehicles... Audi All-Road, Subaru Outback, Volvo XC70... that kind of vehicle. AWD, plenty of space, decent ground clearance, better seating position... I'll own one of these one day, but until then, the cheaper and smaller SUV will do!  |
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« Reply #195 on: January 28, 2009, 08:01:26 am » |
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30cm coming tonight, all non-SUVs will be stuck! |
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« Reply #196 on: January 28, 2009, 09:19:06 am » |
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30cm coming tonight, all non-SUVs will be stuck!
Not yet, and we get the snow before you! Railton |
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« Reply #197 on: January 28, 2009, 09:58:22 am » |
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The in-betweens are my favorite types of vehicles... Audi All-Road, Subaru Outback, Volvo XC70... that kind of vehicle. AWD, plenty of space, decent ground clearance, better seating position... I'll own one of these one day, but until then, the cheaper and smaller SUV will do! That's great. But I don't think EVERY front- or rear-drive sedan that comes out should be criticized for not being a Volvo Cross-Country. Hyundai has the Tucson and the Santa Fe and the Veracruz for people with those tastes, and offers the Genesis for people with different preferences in cars. |
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"Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder. What unites us is far greater than what divides us." -- John F. Kennedy, addressing Canadian Parliament.
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« Reply #198 on: January 28, 2009, 10:43:14 am » |
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The in-betweens are my favorite types of vehicles... Audi All-Road, Subaru Outback, Volvo XC70... that kind of vehicle. AWD, plenty of space, decent ground clearance, better seating position... I'll own one of these one day, but until then, the cheaper and smaller SUV will do! That's great. But I don't think EVERY front- or rear-drive sedan that comes out should be criticized for not being a Volvo Cross-Country. Hyundai has the Tucson and the Santa Fe and the Veracruz for people with those tastes, and offers the Genesis for people with different preferences in cars. When almost ALL of a car's competitors offer AWD as an option, you better offer it as well. If they offered it with AWD, people that like AWD would be satisfied, and those that don't care for it, or prefer RWD for some reason, EVERYONE would be happy. That's my point. |
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« Reply #199 on: January 28, 2009, 10:53:08 am » |
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30cm coming tonight, all non-SUVs will be stuck!
Off Topic Alert. I won't I have Snow tires only on the van. First year ever. Pssst I really enjoying rear wheel drive its so much better than front, imo. |
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