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Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« on: September 29, 2008, 04:14:52 pm »
Hi,
Need some advice on winter tires
A friend needs advice on some winter tires. He has a 08 Corolla and will be driving to remote areas like Drayton, Mount Forest, Authur, Bellwood etc on RR's in Winter. This will be his first Winter on Canadian roads. Which tires will be better the Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or  Blizzak WS 60. Also which tires would be economical of the two and last longer.
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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 04:21:57 pm »
Hi,
Need some advice on winter tires
A friend needs advice on some winter tires. He has a 08 Corolla and will be driving to remote areas like Drayton, Mount Forest, Authur, Bellwood etc on RR's in Winter. This will be his first Winter on Canadian roads. Which tires will be better the Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or  Blizzak WS 60. Also which tires would be economical of the two and last longer.
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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 07:41:47 pm »
We have both of those; WS60s on a 2008 Sentra and X-Ice on a Ford Five Hundred. The X-Ice don't seem to work so well on the 500 - I've had lots of traction issues with them. I don't know if it's because the car is too heavy? The WS60s on the Sentra seem ok - I've only had them on for one winter and they were just ok. Not sure if the Sentra suffers because it's lighter. I used to run WS50s on a 2000 Ford Taurus and they worked beautifully - never had a single problem. I think they're both good tyres but maybe the combination of the driver, the car and the tyres as a whole determines how safe you will be. I don't think you can go wrong with either. Anyone else chime in?

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 12:10:09 am »
Both are excellent tires and similarly priced. The Michelin X-Ice Xi2 replaces the X-Ice and is much improved. Can't go wrong with either the Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 08:13:53 am »
Yes thats why i was going to recommend him one of the two.. the Ad says the X-ice will last 70% longer than the WS-60, not sure if that is true..

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 03:43:41 pm »
I think the better choice would be the Michelin X-Ice Xi2. The Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60 uses a multicell compound that is fantastic on ice, but that compound only runs through the first 55% of the tire, because the Blizzak compound doesn't have the necessary stiffness to make up the whole tire. After that, it's just a regular winter tire compound, which will not perform as well as the Xi2 will for its full life. Tires that are good on ice work by sucking up the thin layer of water on top of the ice - that's how you get traction. Multicell compounds do this best; apart form multicell tires, the Xi2 is the best choice for this, because it has lots of tiny little tubes designed to pump away the water from the surface of the ice.

I would actually recommend another tire for ice performance (the most important aspect of winter tire performance for me): the Yokohama Ice Guard IG20 (or for light trucks and SUVs the Geolandar I/T G072). It's got a multicell compound, but they solved the problem of tire stiffness by adding billions of tiny, semi-rigid bubbles throughout the tire, so the multicell compound makes up the whole tire, meaning that you get top-notch ice traction for the whole life of the tire. I think that the Yokohama Ice Guard and Geolandar are the best choice for winter tires, followed by the X-Ice Xi2. If Bridgestone manage to make a Blizzak with multicell compound through the whole tire in the next generation, it will be right back in contention.

It's worth noting that the Xi2 is currently ranked as the Best Winter Tire on the Consumer Search website, which aggregates results from a variety of sources, including a bunch of tough Scandinavian tests. It edged out the Blizzak in tests for the Tire Rack website. It's not quite as highly ranked by the Automobile Protection Association as the Yokohama and Blizzak tires (four stars versus five stars, but again, they're looking at the performance of the first 55% of the Blizzak, which is the deal breaker for me).

Here excerpts from are a couple of really good writeups on winter tires from the Toronto Star's John Mahler that will help to explain things:



ON THE YOKOHAMA ICE GUARD IG20:

The problem in winter driving is that there is almost always a film of water between the tire and the snow or ice.

The film of water is created by the weight of the car pushing on and compressing the snow or ice. The resultant film acts as a lubricant.

The next issue to solve was at what temperature was this phenomenon at its worst. There are two temperature ranges where this mini-aquaplaning occurs.

The first is when the temperature is between -6C to 0C. Here conditions are perfect for pressure from the tire to create water. The second situation is when ambient temperatures are above freezing and road ice is melting on its own.

The answer: a water-absorbing tire compound will work best. Multicell compounds have been around for a few years. These are compounds with little cavities in the rubber tread. As the tire rotated, new cavities were exposed, water could temporarily retreat into the hole and better rubber to road contact was possible.

Both the Bridgestone Blizzak and last year's Yokohama Ice Guard IG10 used that principle.

The problem is that all that porosity in the rubber made for a very sloppy drive on pavement.

The rubber was just not rigid enough to make emergency manoeuvres with confidence. The Bridgestone is only multicelled for the first 55 per cent of its tread life.

Yokohama looked to solve all of these problems with its new Ice Guard IG20, and it has succeeded, big time. The first brainwave was to use hard, hollow resin micro bubbles in the tread.

Dispersed like little beads throughout the tread, the bubbles allow the tire to remain rigid for more assuring grip in corners and under braking.

When the come in contact with the road, they pop open and suck in the water much like a suction cup. It is sort of like popping the bubbles in bubble wrap.

These little guys are typically 0.25 mm, which is very small to you and I, but looks like a huge cave to a 10-micron-thick water droplet.

After determining just how many of these resin pop toys could be used in a tire, Yoko went for the hat trick of water absorption via carbon flakes.

These flakes were shaped into heavily layered "beehives" measuring a giant 0.5mm. Capillary action draws road water up into these layers. As the tire rotates, water is expelled.

In total the average IG20 tire has about 2.5 billion of these hard micro bubbles and 1 billion carbon deposits.

To top all this, the Yoko IG20's tread pattern uses other elements to help manage winter roads. Four wide, straight grooves around the circumference of the tire help evacuate snow and water and contribute to straight-line stability.

Slush grooves run out to the shoulder of the tires to help drain wet snow and slush.

Driving pre-production IG20s last winter proved to me that the lab theory translated well where the rubber meets the ice.

In back-to-back comparisons with the new Ice Guard IG20, Goodyear UltraGrip Ice, Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 and the Michelin Alpin, the new Ice Guard aced every test.



ON THE MICHELIN X-ICE Xi2:

Michelin has finally created a tire that uses air spaces in the rubber to act as little suction devices to improve ice grip. Michelin calls its design "micro-pump technology." Bridgestone pioneered this kind of grip enhancement with its Blizzak brand, and Yokohama continued in this direction with the IG20 Ice Guard.

Michelin has not entirely gone the route of the other two, which randomly have air pockets throughout the tread rubber. Michelin has added little tubes in a well-planned mixture through the tires' heavily siped pattern. The result is amazing stopping grip on ice superior to the X-Ice.

Ice is slippery because when we step on it or a car drives on it, the weight causes a thin film of water to be released. The water acts as a lubricant to increase the slip and slide of whatever caused the pressure.

Michelin combines the round micro-pumps with a new tread block heavily siped and made of a new rubber compound called FleX-Ice technology into its tread design.

It works simply. The leading edge of the tread block pushes most of the water out of the way in to the bigger grooves; the micro pumps absorb the remaining water; the sipes have better grip on the now-mostly-dry ice surface and, as the car moves forward, the pumps expel the water to be ready for the next contact.

It is an elegant solution to ice grip. On dry roads, the tire retains enough firmness in the tread to resist that dreaded "winter tire squirm."

The X-Ice Xi2 gets the "Green X" rating from Michelin, which means the rubber it uses is part of a line of tires that has lower rolling resistance and lower fuel consumption compared to a regular rubber. Michelin claims that if the world's vehicles were equipped with Green X tires, carbon dioxide emissions would be cut by 72.6 million tonnes.

Michelin claims its new tire will last 75 per cent longer than its main rival. The unnamed rival, I suspect, is the Bridgestone Blizzak. And that vast difference in wear rate would be based on the fact the Blizzak is a multicell compound for only 55 per cent of its tread depth. The remaining 45 per cent of the tire is a standard winter compound.
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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 01:04:17 am »
... The Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60 uses a multicell compound that is fantastic on ice, but that compound only runs through the first 55% of the tire, because the Blizzak compound doesn't have the necessary stiffness to make up the whole tire. After that, it's just a regular winter tire compound, which will not perform as well as the Xi2 will for its full life. ...

That might be a concern if you plan on running your winter tires until they're bald, but IMO, any winter tire is due for replacement once it hits around 6/32" of tread depth. Makes no difference to me what the tread compound is after that point - it simply doesn't have enough tread to get safely through deeper snow or slush.

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 12:47:37 pm »
That's a good point I hadn't considered, SiRCivic. I guess the answer, then, is that you can't go wrong with either the WS-60, the Xi2, or the IG 20, just remember to replace the tire when you're at 6/32" (4.75mm), or if you really want to be on the safe side, 6mm (a little less than 1/4 inch).

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 01:35:36 pm »
Here excerpts from are a couple of really good writeups on winter tires from the Toronto Star's John Mahler that will help to explain things:

Thanks for posting that, really interesting.

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 02:40:10 pm »
You're very welcome, PJungnitsch. Here's Mahler's writeup for the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60, in case that's also helpful:



Bridgestone has not been resting on its laurels with its Blizzak, even though it has sold 100 million of these "Winterbiter" tires worldwide since their introduction.

This year, the company has a new generation, the Blizzak WS-60. The research in the lab and on computer simulations solved a basic contradiction in winter tire design that has been with us since Day 1.

A winter tire with a high void area works best on snow. A tire with a low void area works best on ice. Void area is the open area in a tire's tread. Grooves and sipes that are open are considered void area.

(Sipes are thread-like slits in the tread that help evacuate water for better wet traction and act as biting edges in snow.)

The new WS-60 uses a new proprietary Cis Butadiene rubber compound. This compound bonds better with silica to enhance traction in wet and snow. In fact, it increased snow traction so much that Bridgestone was able to reduce the void area of the tire by huge percentages.

Rubber with a high Cis content has better low-temperature flex characteristics and is more abrasive resistant for longer tread life. It also stands up better to flex fatigue for longer heat-cycle life.

The centre of the tread area has a 37 per cent greater contact patch , compared to the previous generation WS-50. In the shoulder area, the increase is 84 per cent, while sipe edge density is up by 21 per cent.

Within this new rubber compound, Bridgestone went from tiny air bubbles as in its previous Blizzaks to tine worm-like tubes.

These tubes are fully 50 per cent larger than the pockets in the older generation of tires.

When the tubes are exposed, they give water a place to hide while the tread grips. The water is then expelled as the tire rotates.

To provide extra grip, the WS-60 now has an abrasive material added to the tread rubber. These little bits of grit (Bridgestone refuses to say what they are made of) are quite the little grabbers on ice.

You can actually see small scrapes on the ice where the tire has passed. To ensure that the grit bits don't fall out with the first forceful tire spin, they are chemically bonded into the rubber with a special coating.

All of this techno wizardry is topped off with a directional tread pattern, angled grooves and long-lasting sipes.

The Blizzak WS-60 has the multicell rubber on the first 55 per cent of its tread. Below that, the tire reverts to a normal winter tread compound.

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 06:39:25 am »
I used to own the michelin X ICE from approx 4 years ago.  two years ago I went out on the first snow of the year and hated those tires so bad I ripped them off the next day and bought some Blizzacks because they were the only thing available. Blizzacks were very good, but I ended up trading them in for yokohama IG10s.  I find for the money, the yokohamas are wonderful on snow and ICe.  Perhaps night quite as good on ice as the blizzacks, but then they run alot longer.  Ive got 30 thousand miles on mine and the shop said they still look like bran new.  My bet is to stay far away from michelin.  I tend to be very opinionated, but generally I find if a snow tire is crap one year, the next year nothing will change.  The new yokohamas I have now run the same as a set I had 8 years ago, so I assume my thinking is pretty acurate. 

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Re: Which is a better tire Michelin X-Ice Xi2 or Blizzak WS 60
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 06:44:46 pm »
Here some sound advice:

Forget both... buy something better that is cheaper, liken the Gislaved NordFrost 5 that I picked up for but $400 LESS than a set of x-ice

they're both very overrated
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