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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2008, 07:53:37 pm »

If the court subpoena (ordered) you to appear as a witness, you will appear.   Otherwise, the judge may order you to be arrested. 

That won't happen in traffic court. The charge against the guy will get tossed because there's no witnesses to call. Then there will a thread that says "WTF?? WHY DID THE CHARGES GET THROWN OUT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT AFTER WHAT HE DID TO MY CAR!!!"
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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2008, 09:41:33 pm »
When I was in court last week, I noticed there were signs posted on the court room doors that it is a serious offense to tamper with witnesses.   That should stop most law abiding people since jail time is not much fun. 

If the court subpoena (ordered) you to appear as a witness, you will appear.   Otherwise, the judge may order you to be arrested.  I believe under our justice system, the accused has a right to face his/her accusers.   The defense may wish to cross exam the witnesses to bring forth reasonable doubts to the charges against the accused. 


When I was in court last week, I noticed there were signs posted on the court room doors that it is a serious offense to tamper with witnesses

That supports what I am saying.  The bulk of pp that rotate thru court nowadays are sub par loser ppl who aren't beyond going outside the law to settle a grudge because they are just that: sub par loser ppl.  If you are given a choice avoid contact with these types.  It's actually worse than in the movies.  :)
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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2008, 10:34:29 pm »
hmm... I've not submited a witness statement yet and I was gonna, but now I'm all scared.  :foil: I may have to enter the witness protection program to do it safetly.

I know insurance companies are scummy and they come down hard on folks, its bad what the guy did, but nobody died, nobody seems to have been permenantly injured, so what's the point in throwing the law book at him, expecially if I have to be the one throwing it? The system sucks big time... It's all about $$$ and sticking it to the little guy. ::) :(






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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2008, 10:58:10 pm »
so what's the point in throwing the law book at him, expecially if I have to be the one throwing it?

Despite the usual ridicule from the usual sources  ::), that is what I am trying to express to you.  If this guy is truly uninsured he is in a supreme world of hurt already.  Remove yourself and your wife from it while you still have control.  :)

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2008, 02:13:23 pm »
so what's the point in throwing the law book at him, expecially if I have to be the one throwing it?

Despite the usual ridicule from the usual sources  ::),

My apologies, I didn't realize this was the "Ask Steve" segment of the website.  ::)

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2008, 06:54:51 am »
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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2008, 07:19:52 am »
hmm... I've not submited a witness statement yet and I was gonna, but now I'm all scared.  :foil: I may have to enter the witness protection program to do it safetly.

I know insurance companies are scummy and they come down hard on folks, its bad what the guy did, but nobody died, nobody seems to have been permenantly injured, so what's the point in throwing the law book at him, expecially if I have to be the one throwing it? The system sucks big time... It's all about $$$ and sticking it to the little guy. ::) :(







How does a person driving with no legally mandated insurance and then being punished for do so make insurance companies "scummy".

Is your insurance compnay doing something bad to you? Are they not on the hook to pay for repairs etc for which they did not collect premiums? Insurance companies are not perfect. That's for sure but if you want to call them scummy it would be more suitable to use another example than trying to require full compensation from a person who drove without legally mandated insurance.

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2008, 07:59:59 pm »
Although I understand AS' premise that there's likely no personal upside to do all you can do to have the book thrown at the guy I would argue that there's a strong societal upside to making sure that people are actually punished for being stupid assholes doing illegal things.  Think back to the moment when that guy hit you and supreme disregard for the damage and lack of respect for you and your wife.  Shouldn't he get all that's coming to him?  Does it not make our society better if people know that being that careless has really serious consequences?  It's obviously your choice, but if you can I think you owe it to yourself and to others to help the police pursue this guy to the extent that the law says they should.

P.S.:  It might be an idea to call the cop you're dealing with and having a frank discussion about the consequences of signing or not signing that witness statement and also explaining why you're reluctant to do so...
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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2008, 08:48:07 pm »
Are they not on the hook to pay for repairs etc for which they did not collect premiums?

Although I understand AS' premise that there's likely no personal upside to do all you can do to have the book thrown at the guy I would argue that there's a strong societal upside to making sure that people are actually punished for being stupid assholes doing illegal things.

Well, I bought a contract that guarantees that they will pay damages and you can be sure that they will pay the lowest possible amount they can get away with.

The person driving without insurance shouldn’t have to be punished by the insurance companies, but by the law. The Ontario system is not made to protect the people but to maximize profits at the expense of the people. If there was an insurance portion with the licese plates then this problem wouldn't exist and there will be less opportunity to make $$$.

I agree with Steve that the consequences from the insurance company far outweigh the consequences from the law and IMO are not in proportion to the offence (driving dangerously/too close while being distracted), remember that nobody was permanently injured, only property was damaged.

Yes, I was angry and upset at the jerk for trashing my car, but that doesn't mean that he should be buried because of his mistake. I also don't want him to think that I buried him in this much trouble and debt.

I do not believe that society will benefit if this person is never able to afford insurance.


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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2008, 10:26:20 pm »
Are they not on the hook to pay for repairs etc for which they did not collect premiums?

Under Ontario no-fault insurance had the offending driver had insurance Cybernick's insurer would have paid for his repairs out of their own pocket regardless.  However, nick's Quebec or Ontario insurer  ??? can now collect off either the owner or driver.


Insurance companies are not perfect. That's for sure but if you want to call them scummy

Oh they are scummy alright.  For the last 3 weeks I have been countering every low ball offer I have received from my company regarding my 08 FJ right off.  First was the companies attempt to deny the waiver of depreciation.  Even though it was printed on my policy apparently it wasn't in their system.  Took a week of effort and finally their underwriting department convinced their claims department that it was valid.   ::)

Next was the sales tax because the original bill of sale shows a reduced amount of tax as a result of a sales tax carry over from the trade.  INS Co wants to pay only tax shown on the Bill of Sale.  I say pay 13% tax on the replacment value.   How complicated is that  ???   Waiting on that decision.  :o

Friday was a battle over the tint.  Non factory tint not covered they say.  I said since when, Thursday  ???  Still haven't heard about that.  Later today rental company called and said insurance company is pulling the plug this coming Friday without even a call to me as I'm only about 1/2 thru my $1500 per occurrence.

So are insurance companies scummy   ::)   ...and there won't be an insurance company or re-insurer that isn't exposed to the ABCP disaster so it's gonna much worse.  I'll name the company when I get my dough.  :) 

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2008, 11:08:01 pm »
Are they not on the hook to pay for repairs etc for which they did not collect premiums?

Although I understand AS' premise that there's likely no personal upside to do all you can do to have the book thrown at the guy I would argue that there's a strong societal upside to making sure that people are actually punished for being stupid assholes doing illegal things.

Well, I bought a contract that guarantees that they will pay damages and you can be sure that they will pay the lowest possible amount they can get away with.

The person driving without insurance shouldn’t have to be punished by the insurance companies, but by the law. The Ontario system is not made to protect the people but to maximize profits at the expense of the people. If there was an insurance portion with the licese plates then this problem wouldn't exist and there will be less opportunity to make $$$.

I agree with Steve that the consequences from the insurance company far outweigh the consequences from the law and IMO are not in proportion to the offence (driving dangerously/too close while being distracted), remember that nobody was permanently injured, only property was damaged.

Yes, I was angry and upset at the jerk for trashing my car, but that doesn't mean that he should be buried because of his mistake. I also don't want him to think that I buried him in this much trouble and debt.

I do not believe that society will benefit if this person is never able to afford insurance.



I work with no less than 6 different insurers and see THOUSANDS of estimates . I can say for a fact that the vast majority of estimates on repairable vehicles are reviewed by the insurance company and adjusted downwards from what the shop suggests by less than ONE HALF of 1 percent. 0.5% So while like any business you don't needlessly spend money the accusation that they pay the lowest they can "get away with" is simply not true. Insurance companies as a rule do not use used suspension pieces even though by law they could "get away with it". They don't use aftermarket air bags. They have a contractual obligation to restore the car to a SAFE PREACCIDENT condition. If it costs more than the minimum to ensure the car is safe and that the car doesn't come back in for repairs they will spend the $. As I said this isn't a one off personal experience with one insurer. I'm talking sample sizes of 6 insurers , 8-10 000 estimates a MONTH over many months. Most insurers gaurentee the reapirs for as long as you own the car. They don't want cheap crap repairs because they don't want to deal with it after. They are not going to throw money away.

Some companies are extremley disorgainzed at times. There is one place I work with that I would consider scummy and old school cost cutting. So I won't say there are NO scummy places. But say Insurance companies are scummy is like saying Supermarkets are scummy. A few bad apples don't represnt things as a whole. Most people (luckily actually deal with an insurance company once or twice or maybe never. People alweays post the bad experiences. But if a company is processing 10,000 claims a month and we hear about 10 or even 100 bad expereinces what abouth the other 9,900 ?

OH BTW I agree I would be very concerned that the bad ones will get worse with the fincial market crisis.


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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2008, 11:26:32 pm »
OK Tool late, here is another example:

Two years ago I hit a deer in my 924S.  $5800. plus tax damage.  Went to Pilot's preferred shop which is the best in my area.  Asked how the claim was progressing.  Car was back in my garage.  Shop told me company adjuster said that I was to pay 1/2 refinishing cost of hood because it had two coats of paint on it and they don't exceed two coats.  My end was 3 hours which was $200.

I called the regional office and got some regional claims manger and told her that I wasn't going to need the car for another 8 months and in that time I was going to sue them in Small Claims court and no judge would put up with that crap.  Next day she calls me back and says no extra charges.  ::)

The point being that my wife, sister, mother and many guys would have buckled immediately and added the $200 to the $300 deductible.

This kind of nickel and diming is constant and throughtout the industry.  They love to collect and hate to pay out and when, they as a company, are losing money, they REALLY hate to pay out.  The pressure they put on their employees must be horrible.

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2008, 08:01:31 am »
OK Tool late, here is another example:

Two years ago I hit a deer in my 924S.  $5800. plus tax damage.  Went to Pilot's preferred shop which is the best in my area.  Asked how the claim was progressing.  Car was back in my garage.  Shop told me company adjuster said that I was to pay 1/2 refinishing cost of hood because it had two coats of paint on it and they don't exceed two coats.  My end was 3 hours which was $200.

I called the regional office and got some regional claims manger and told her that I wasn't going to need the car for another 8 months and in that time I was going to sue them in Small Claims court and no judge would put up with that crap.  Next day she calls me back and says no extra charges.  ::)

The point being that my wife, sister, mother and many guys would have buckled immediately and added the $200 to the $300 deductible.

This kind of nickel and diming is constant and throughtout the industry.  They love to collect and hate to pay out and when, they as a company, are losing money, they REALLY hate to pay out.  The pressure they put on their employees must be horrible.

I don't know all the details but a 924s is at least what 20 years old? How old was the paint? Polices clearly state that betterment can be charged in circumstances where the work done will make the car substantially better than its origional condition. I mean if a car (not saying your car) had a worn out scratched paint job on the hood that badley needed repainting the insurance conpoany isn't obligated to pay for new paint job you otherwise would have paid for. They are only obligated to bring it back to pre accident conditon..which is scratched and worn.

Its absolutley true that they will go by policy first. Many companies have policies where they will waive the betterment if you have it repaired at a prefered shop (ING for example has it written right into their policies and literature).

You could have tried to sue them but you would not have won most likley becuase the policy you bough has specfic wording in it that lests them charge betterment. As much as we may dislike it its not scummy, the adjuster screwing you over or anything else. If one looks at it objectivley its completley reasonable. Its unfortunate that there is fine print in policies and most peiople including me don't read every detail or you buy the policy 10 years ago stick it in a daraw and never look at it again.

It isn't nickle and diming. The adjuster that makes 30 k a year and has 6 months expereince isn't going to waive the better ment on your claim for no reason. They don't discretion to do that 50 times a day nor do they want to. You complained and they figured it was eaisier to waive the 200 (that they are entitiled to based on the agreement YOU signed) than to fight about it and leave the claim open for 8 months. It cossts $ to do that. If you had a Cavilier with rust holes through the hood and didn't want to pay $1000 betterment becuase they had to replace the hood and repaint it they likley wouldn't have given in. 

I can tell you for fact that I have been right there when a manager has told an adjuster yes we pay thisbecuase its not our job to pay as little as possible. Its our job to pay what is required to safley bring the car back to pre accident condition.

People who have one or two experiences with insurers think that becuase they try to impose betterment legally in the policy they are trying to rip them off. I see multiple incidents every day where people who get in a minor front end collision in a 10 year old car are adamate that the entire front end be rplaced with new parts, that their brakes (which haven't been replaced in 2 years) worked perfectly before the accident and that the rusty scratches on their trunk were caused by some flying debris from the front collision that happened yesterday and they the insurance should pay to have the trunk repainted.

The other thing that is interesting after spending 6 years around this is how people shop for insurance. I admit before I had this job I did the same thing. Most people simply want the ceapest rate. They shop around for rate quotes and when they find a cheap one they buy it and hang on for dear life. People don't look at what that company offers. They don't assign value to something like a company that offers first accident forgiveness or if a company has policy of paying right off the unbiased valuation of a total loss or if they try to negotiate or if they have local adjusters vs farming out claims to some call center in India. 

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2008, 08:15:57 am »
 ::)..SO...SPILL THE BEANS toolate...give us yer TOP THREE.(yeah U only deal with 6 Companies) but it's a start.......................and the WORST ONE TOO pleeze......fer MY betterment!!!!& Sanity Clause...............
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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2008, 11:56:00 am »
So, if it's OK for insurance companies to charge for "betterment", why shouldn't I be allowed to claim "worsenment" on my policy?!  >:(

Finally got my estimate... it will be a repair job, no write off... based on how long it took to get back to me with this estimate, I'm having doubts about getting a good job done, but it may be unfounded...  :( :( :(

So, its gonna be $3k parts, $5k labor, $10k total with taxes and whatnot....

Insurance company and garage guarantee repair 100% as long as I own the vehicle. Loss of value will not be conpensated...

What will be changed? Hatch, bumper, various trim peices obviously, but more conserning to me are rear quater pannel, and frame rails. Those peieces will be cut out and new ones welded in, then the whole thing will go up on some kind of machine where they'll be measuring the frame and bending it back to specs. Sounds like a pretty substantial surgery, I hope they have good docs...  :think: :shuffle:

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #95 on: October 07, 2008, 01:03:57 pm »
So, if it's OK for insurance companies to charge for "betterment", why shouldn't I be allowed to claim "worsenment" on my policy?!  >:(

Finally got my estimate... it will be a repair job, no write off... based on how long it took to get back to me with this estimate, I'm having doubts about getting a good job done, but it may be unfounded...  :( :( :(

So, its gonna be $3k parts, $5k labor, $10k total with taxes and whatnot....

Insurance company and garage guarantee repair 100% as long as I own the vehicle. Loss of value will not be compensated...

What will be changed? Hatch, bumper, various trim pieces obviously, but more concerning to me are rear quarter panel, and frame rails. Those pieces will be cut out and new ones welded in, then the whole thing will go up on some kind of machine where they'll be measuring the frame and bending it back to specs. Sounds like a pretty substantial surgery, I hope they have good docs...  :think: :shuffle:

Did you have depreciation protection or 43R as an addition to your policy? 

A 10,000 repair on your vehicle represents about 60% of the total loss value of your Mazda. Nearly all insurance companies use 75% as the cutoff before they will consider it a total loss (although there are some that now sell additional cost features to their policy that specifically limits the % down to 50%. You may want to look to see if your insurer or another offers this when you renew your insurance next. )

Now before you decide that you really want your vehicle written off be aware that the estimated actual cash value is probably between 16-17K depending on other factors. So if they were to write it off where that would leave you 17 K in your pocket looking for a new car or upside down on your loan we don't know.

I would not be concerned about hatch bumper trim or 1/4 panel. On a 2007 car they should all be replaced with a new OEM part and repainted . The frame rails can be replaced and they will put it on the frame machine and try to pull the unibody and see if it goes back to spec.

As for the "worserment" or diminished value issue that certainly is one that is ambiguous for the industry as a whole in Canada. Some policies specifically address it and some address it buy out lining what is covered repairs loss of use etc. It varies from Province to province whether you would have any luck filing a claim (likely against the other drivers insurance or in this case the driver himself) for diminished value. Unfortunately unless your policy specifically says it protects you from diminished value you are on your own. In diminished loss claims its up to you to prove the existence and amount of the diminished value. That is tough to do. Also your car hasn't actually suffered diminished value until such time as you try to sell it. If its properly repaired and you drive it for the rest of its life you lost nothing. Only when you try to sell and get less than what you might have gotten because of the accident have you actually suffered a loss.

Its very unfortunate you are very close to the borderline. I have seen customers who have a large amount of vehicles or insurance with a company pressure them into writing off a vehicle at that level . Like I said given this experience I'd suggest that you look for an insurer that will let you buy coverage that will avoid this in the future. Otherwise based on the legal system in your province and the amount you believe is lost by the diminished value you may want to pursue it with a lawyer

It really does suck and even someone who sees vehicles like this repaired to excellent condition that another person could drive and never know it was in an accident YOU will know. And that would weigh on my mind even though logically I know better.



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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #96 on: October 07, 2008, 02:30:05 pm »
I don't know all the details but a 924s is at least what 20 years old? How old was the paint? Polices clearly state that betterment can be charged in circumstances where the work done will make the car substantially better than its origional condition. I mean if a car (not saying your car) had a worn out scratched paint job on the hood that badley needed repainting the insurance conpoany isn't obligated to pay for new paint job you otherwise would have paid for. They are only obligated to bring it back to pre accident conditon..which is scratched and worn.

I thought I made it clear that this 20 year old car had previously received a complete repaint and btw never saw a winter.  The entire car was perfect on the exterior, still is.  The issue was that THEIR shop exceeded expectations in that unlike most panel bangers they will not apply 3 coats on a hood.  So they gotta go down to the bare metal below the primers.  That more than doubles the cost.  So this wasn't a case of betterment, because it wasn't going to look any better. It was a technical issue only with this particular shop.

They reversed their position because they knew I was serious and that they had no defense.  They looked at photos taken by their ppl when they underwrote the vehicle.  Neglected to ask how many coats of paint were on it.  I think that's what a Judge would focus on: that being why they didn't ask that question when they did the underwriting.  They weren't "bettering" the vehicle.  It was just a quick shot to save $200.

Consequently, weiner $200. of 50K claims per year and whats that get you .....

$10 MIL.  :o

Same thing happened to me today at the Dentist.  Gold plated GOV group policy with Great West Life.  Just cleaning, no inspection.  Dentist charges $98.  GWL pays $97.03.  For f***'s sake.  Not enough to cause a backlash, but 1 buck for every cleaning times X million customers is X million more a year in easy profit.

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2008, 02:48:50 pm »
Insurance company and garage guarantee repair 100% as long as I own the vehicle

Mine says the same thing.  It's all crap.  It will be your opinion against experts 3 years after the fact when the auto body has changed hands and the INS. Co has changed names.  :stick:

Just hope that the job is a great one because effectively, that's it.

Before this NO-Fault garbage you would be reasonably satisfied.  Your back/neck trauma was worth 5K each.  That would be the amount that any INS. Co would have eventually paid you to sign off on all and future injuries and then those funds would off set your loss on the car and believe it:  you have lost on your car despite all the insurance baloney to the contrary.  :)

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #98 on: October 07, 2008, 03:50:56 pm »
Ient conditon..which is scratched and worn.

I thought I made it clear that this 20 year old car had previously received a complete repaint and btw never saw a winter.  The entire car was perfect on the exterior, still is. 

Imust have missed it when you made this clear?

"Two years ago I hit a deer in my 924S.  $5800. plus tax damage.  Went to Pilot's preferred shop which is the best in my area.  Asked how the claim was progressing.  Car was back in my garage.  Shop told me company adjuster said that I was to pay 1/2 refinishing cost of hood because it had two coats of paint on it and they don't exceed two coats.  My end was 3 hours which was $200."

I don't see where you talked about the car having perfect exterior or 3 coats of paint. Thus my comment I don't know all the details.

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Re: My 2007 Mazda 6 Hatch got trashed this Friday
« Reply #99 on: October 07, 2008, 04:20:37 pm »
OK, I'll try and be more clear:

The car had the original coat of paint and like many old Porsches it had an additional paint job which generally infers it was in like new looking condition.  Never had 3 coats of paint.  Still doesn't, but no thanks to the INS. Co. who wanted to apply a 3rd coat to the hood which the deer's face had made an imprint on.  THEIR panel beater said NO to that.  That started the dust up.  I prevailed, not from good will on their part, but because they knew I had all the time in the world.  That's how they screw most ppl; the shear lack of time available for ppl to gather their wits.  :)