Topic: Production Volt

[Leviathan]

“ To maintain highway speeds, most cars need in the 11kW (15HP) range. In practical terms, the generator should have no trouble maintaining the battery… “ – Sir Osis of Liver

To maintain highway speeds… yes, performance wise on a flat road.  But, when the SOC came down to 30% the Volt goes into the charge sustaining mode (limp home mode) starting up the anaemic (for a 4000Lb car) sub-100HP ICE, then the smooth whine of the electric motor is mixed with the vibration and noise of the four banger. And, when acceleration or going up hill is required, the reserve power in the battery is rather limited and won’t allow much prolonged time doing the duty called for.  It is very unlikely that the Volt’s “driving feel” is same when on EV mode or charge-sustaining mode.   

I think GM engineers are still struggling to make the Volt drive like an ordinary car without excuses. (Remember the first generation Prius and Insight?) Maybe this was the reason why GM did not allow the press to drive the mule in the CS mode.

It's like you haven't read a thing about how the Volt operates....

[Leviathan]

The new Prius, either a station wagon or SUV, is set to go on sale by the end of next year. It will be the first from Toyota Motor Corp. with a lithium-ion battery, which is more powerful than the nickel-metal hydride battery, now in its hybrids, according to the nationally circulated Yomiuri newspaper.

Toyota, the world's top automaker, declined comment on product plans.

The Yomiuri said the Prius will sell for about 2 million yen ($22,000), but did not give details.

Toyota leads rivals in hybrids, especially in Japan, where government ecological incentives have made it a top-seller for months.

Introducing a model with a more powerful battery could help widen Toyota's lead over rivals, at a time when Japan's No. 2 automaker Honda Motor Co. has been aggressive with hybrid offerings, such as the Insight.

Automakers have all been working on next-generation batteries. Lithium-ion batteries, similar to the kind used in laptops and other gadgets, require technological improvements before they can be used in cars because they tend to be more delicate and prone to heating problems.

Toyota has been working on lithium-ion batteries for years, and has a joint venture with Japanese electronics maker Panasonic Corp. to develop them for cars.

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

[drederick]

Lutz told reporters. “I wanted to overcome the incredible reputation Toyota had with the Prius, and we knew we couldn’t do it with just another hybrid.”

 

Has Lutzie forgot about GM's most useless hybrid attempt in the Malibu.  What an engineering disaster!   What a joke that thing was, but when it was first launched it was described by GM as the best in class.

The Volt will follow exactly the same path.  However, this time GM will leak "new" developments once a month to keep the myth alive.  Only after the IPO will they state the obvious; that it was always an "experimental" venture and what did ppl really expect. 

I see GM Canada is paying Bobby Orr to stand beside one with a plug in cord in hand looking awe struck. 

I can't speak for all 'ppl' but when the Volt comes out I look forward to you being WRONG yet again.

Just for a joke, prove what you say - that it is a 'myth' and just an 'experimental' venture rather than a vehicle that is going to be produced for sale.

Can't can you? ha ha ha ha

ha ha ha ha of course it is a myth! lol

Doesn't it EVER get tired of posting things you can't back up? pathetic.

[G35X]

“ It's like you haven't read a thing about how the Volt operates.... “ - Leviathan

Volt’s performance on CS mode has been a big question ever since Lutz started talking about the car three years ago. There are no official numbers from GM on this subject.  Take a look at the following forum site, for example:
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3503

I have been participating in discussions in the gm-volt.com forums in the past more than two years.

[Leviathan]

“ It's like you haven't read a thing about how the Volt operates.... “ - Leviathan

Volt’s performance on CS mode has been a big question ever since Lutz started talking about the car three years ago. There are no official numbers from GM on this subject.  Take a look at the following forum site, for example:
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3503

I have been participating in discussions in the gm-volt.com forums in the past more than two years.

and yet you characterize CS mode as "(limp home mode)" which it isn't at all. Did you see today's gm-volt article? It had this:

At this point in development the integration vehicles have become highly refined.  In fact, GM has just started to allow journalists test drives in charge sustaining mode.

[articsteve]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

Dan Yanoff

"Toyota is starting test marketing of the plug-in version of the Prius next month.  Instead of the regular NiMH battery this model (sold or leased to institutional users) will come equipped with Li-ion battery pack, which is much ligher and smaller than the NiMH of the same capacity, and feature 20km EV range and 55km/litre (1.8 litres/100km) gas mileage."

LINK PLZ ?    

[drederick]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

Dan Yanoff

"Toyota is starting test marketing of the plug-in version of the Prius next month.  Instead of the regular NiMH battery this model (sold or leased to institutional users) will come equipped with Li-ion battery pack, which is much ligher and smaller than the NiMH of the same capacity, and feature 20km EV range and 55km/litre (1.8 litres/100km) gas mileage."

LINK PLZ ?    

You and your fellow artics may want to take note of the title of the thread: 'Production Volt'

not 'Toyota wanna be plug in to save face'

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt? ahhhh it doesn't exist lol WRONG again artic(s)

[Honda Owner]

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt?

Well, I am sure GM will be really eager to announce that. Will we see the Volt? Time will tell on that one. For a company it the precarious condition that GM is, I wouldn't take anything for granted. Today, Flahterty announced no more corporate welfare for 2010 and the same has already been announced the same. For an orgainisation used to living on the government teat, that is some hard news.

[toolatecrew]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

Dan Yanoff

"Toyota is starting test marketing of the plug-in version of the Prius next month.  Instead of the regular NiMH battery this model (sold or leased to institutional users) will come equipped with Li-ion battery pack, which is much ligher and smaller than the NiMH of the same capacity, and feature 20km EV range and 55km/litre (1.8 litres/100km) gas mileage."

LINK PLZ ?    

You and your fellow artics may want to take note of the title of the thread: 'Production Volt'

not 'Toyota wanna be plug in to save face'

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt? ahhhh it doesn't exist lol WRONG again artic(s)

Finally, between August and November of next year, the manufacturing validation build (MVB) will occur. At that stage, everything will be done with production equipment and tooling and these are the first so-called salable vehicles

The Volt CAN exist. It COULD exist. Maybe it even WILL exisit.

It does not at present exisit. There are no saleable Volts in existence.

Intent does not constitute existence.  Until Chev says they WON'T build it they are going to build it. Until they build it though it hasn't been built.

[G35X]

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“ …In fact, GM has just started to allow journalists test drives in charge sustaining mode… “
So, it is happening only now… I guess we will be hearing from Mark Phelans and Tom Walshes first. If the Volt drives and feels like an ordinary car in the CS mode, then, GM should make a cheaper version of it by reducing the capacity of the battery pack to 4kWh or so ($10000 vs. $2500) giving it some 10 mile EV range.  Many people will appreciate the lower price and not mind shorter EV range since they can enjoy the economy of a 75HP car after the battery is depleted.

[drederick]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

Dan Yanoff

"Toyota is starting test marketing of the plug-in version of the Prius next month.  Instead of the regular NiMH battery this model (sold or leased to institutional users) will come equipped with Li-ion battery pack, which is much ligher and smaller than the NiMH of the same capacity, and feature 20km EV range and 55km/litre (1.8 litres/100km) gas mileage."

LINK PLZ ?    

You and your fellow artics may want to take note of the title of the thread: 'Production Volt'

not 'Toyota wanna be plug in to save face'

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt? ahhhh it doesn't exist lol WRONG again artic(s)

Finally, between August and November of next year, the manufacturing validation build (MVB) will occur. At that stage, everything will be done with production equipment and tooling and these are the first so-called salable vehicles

The Volt CAN exist. It COULD exist. Maybe it even WILL exisit.

It does not at present exisit. There are no saleable Volts in existence.

Intent does not constitute existence.  Until Chev says they WON'T build it they are going to build it. Until they build it though it hasn't been built.

So in other words you can't offer ANYTHING that is contrary to what GM is saying they will do - which is of course to build the Volt? why do you continue when there is NOTHING to back up your beliefs?

oh wait, sorry artic(s) also believe you! its TRUE!

One more time: GM has never said it would have the Volt for sale right now. Do you actually know anything about the Volt?

Should the public be made aware that a UFO will be shown once again in the public at the LAIAS? Will all those poor souls who touch the Volt at the LAIAS be in danger as they are touching something that doesn't exist? like will their hands fall off or their asses fall to the floor when they try to sit in it?

[G35X]

Re: CS mode
I found it.  Take a look at the following site:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/automobiles/autoreviews/22-chevy-volt.html?_r=2&ref=automobiles

I was wrong re whine… but, the surging noise from ICE still needs to be smoothed out. 
It seems the reporter did not test the performance and drive feel after the reserve (should be about 1.5kWh) in the battery below 30% SOC for short bursts of power to pass and/or go up hills is depleted.

[toolatecrew]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

Dan Yanoff

"Toyota is starting test marketing of the plug-in version of the Prius next month.  Instead of the regular NiMH battery this model (sold or leased to institutional users) will come equipped with Li-ion battery pack, which is much ligher and smaller than the NiMH of the same capacity, and feature 20km EV range and 55km/litre (1.8 litres/100km) gas mileage."

LINK PLZ ?    

You and your fellow artics may want to take note of the title of the thread: 'Production Volt'

not 'Toyota wanna be plug in to save face'

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt? ahhhh it doesn't exist lol WRONG again artic(s)

Finally, between August and November of next year, the manufacturing validation build (MVB) will occur. At that stage, everything will be done with production equipment and tooling and these are the first so-called salable vehicles

The Volt CAN exist. It COULD exist. Maybe it even WILL exisit.

It does not at present exisit. There are no saleable Volts in existence.

Intent does not constitute existence.  Until Chev says they WON'T build it they are going to build it. Until they build it though it hasn't been built.

So in other words you can't offer ANYTHING that is contrary to what GM is saying they will do - which is of course to build the Volt? why do you continue when there is NOTHING to back up your beliefs?

oh wait, sorry artic(s) also believe you! its TRUE!

One more time: GM has never said it would have the Volt for sale right now. Do you actually know anything about the Volt?

Should the public be made aware that a UFO will be shown once again in the public at the LAIAS? Will all those poor souls who touch the Volt at the LAIAS be in danger as they are touching something that doesn't exist? like will their hands fall off or their asses fall to the floor when they try to sit in it?

I never said they won't build the Volt. If you read what I said they likley will build it. But they have not YET built it. It does not exisit. The intention to build something does not consitute actually building it.

Don't know why what I am saying is so hard to understand. I have never once said "I am certain the Volt will never be built".

I have repeatedly said The Volt has not been built yet. It at the present time does not exist. This is an undeniabe fact.

Until it exists there is the possibilty (however remote you might want to think) that it willNOT be built.

Show me a production saleable Volt and I'll say it exists.

[Honda Owner]

Show me a production saleable Volt and I'll say it exists.

And the MSRP.

[safristi]

ELECTRIFYING....................Zap   Zap   Zap.....

[drederick]

I never said they won't build the Volt. If you read what I said they likley will build it. But they have not YET built it. It does not exisit. The intention to build something does not consitute actually building it.

Don't know why what I am saying is so hard to understand. I have never once said "I am certain the Volt will never be built".

I have repeatedly said The Volt has not been built yet. It at the present time does not exist. This is an undeniabe fact.

Until it exists there is the possibilty (however remote you might want to think) that it willNOT be built.

Show me a production saleable Volt and I'll say it exists.

There is a small chance the Earth will explode as well - so I guess it is possible to say that there will be no 2011 Toyotas or Hondas or Kias or Ferraris either.

The 'undeniable fact' that you fail to understand is the following: GM has never once said that it would be in production RIGHT NOW for sale. So what is your point again? That it is not for sale and therefore does not exist?

Until GM says it will not be produced it will be produced, right? of course that is right.

Let me ask you........

What vehicle is GM going to show at car shows soon? lets see it looks like a Volt, is called a Volt, so what is it exactly then, artic toolate?

[Leviathan]

As interesting as that is it doesn't have anything to do with the Volt now does it? 

Responding to Dan.  You and that Dred fellow make a fantastic couple. 

 

[Leviathan]

The Volt CAN exist. It COULD exist. Maybe it even WILL exisit.

It does not at present exisit. There are no saleable Volts in existence.

Intent does not constitute existence.  Until Chev says they WON'T build it they are going to build it. Until they build it though it hasn't been built.

Are you still bleating that same tired nonsense? You need better material.

[Honda Owner]

Are you still bleating that same tired nonsense? You need better material.

Hey, man, show some compassion. It has been a rough year for the GM slappies and 2010 will likely be much worse.

[articsteve]

So where is all that info about GM not producing the Volt? ahhhh it doesn't exist lol WRONG again artic(s)
  

Since I was the first member here, way back in 2005  , to declare  that GM would go into Chapter 11 despite the onslaught of tantrums by the GM slappies, I am by default the "KNOWER OF ALL THINGS GM".

Now that we have that fact established I will reveal to you the results of my next vision:

GM will release a continuous chorus of positive Volt technical results (which they are doing currently) right up to their do or die IPO.  The Volt will headline in all GM "theme" commercials.  After that all the positive spin will come to an abrupt halt and GM will announce that the VOLT will be lease only with no buy back.  That way they can restrict the number of units, what geographical area it's used in, and when the car under performs or ceases to operate GM can just terminate the lease and repossess the vehicle.

The Volts main purpose was to draw the US Congress and the American public into a false sense of purpose to support the enormous bailout and it worked.  A perfectly executed TRIPLE LUTZ!