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« Reply #500 on: November 25, 2009, 02:02:24 pm » |
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You know, this is funny.
A year ago, the G8 was GM's salvation. The slappies went wild with glee. Gone.
The Cruz was going to be GM's saviour "Import Beater" vol 300. Now it is "delayed" and probably forever.
The new saviour is the Volt, a car that few GM slappies could ever afford. Go work at a Chevy store and see what goes out the door to their cigarette smokin' hair curler customers. It ain't $50,000 sedans.
artic honda owner, umm, you drive a Honda Fit, right? and your talking about what GM slappies can afford to buy? enjoy your Fit lol So your saying GM will sell 0 Volts because no GM customer can afford them? ok, sure artic honda owner, sure ding ding ding 'winner'!
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blah blah blah Toyota blah blah blah I feel your pain; you've got a GM, it's worth squat and you owe on it.
Dude, if the displacment is EXACT, it's not "all new". The intake is different, the VVT is now on both sets of valves In the automotive world "all new" often means somewhat different
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« Reply #501 on: November 25, 2009, 03:33:41 pm » |
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honda owner, umm, you drive a Honda Fit, I do have a Honda Fit. I also have a 2009 Honda Accord EX-L. The Honda is a great city scooter and the Accord is a real sport sedan. You should try one some time. |
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« Reply #502 on: November 25, 2009, 04:10:11 pm » |
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honda owner, umm, you drive a Honda Fit, I do have a Honda Fit. I also have a 2009 Honda Accord EX-L. The Honda is a great city scooter and the Accord is a real sport sedan. You should try one some time. No thanks artic honda owner I can't afford one LOL only rich types like yourself can afford something as special as a 'real sport sedan' like the Accord or the Fit....... ha ha ha ha ha ha Just because you can't afford, or know anything about, the Volt, does not mean that others cannot afford it and will actually buy it. |
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blah blah blah Toyota blah blah blah I feel your pain; you've got a GM, it's worth squat and you owe on it.
Dude, if the displacment is EXACT, it's not "all new". The intake is different, the VVT is now on both sets of valves In the automotive world "all new" often means somewhat different
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« Reply #503 on: November 25, 2009, 04:25:00 pm » |
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We will not go bankrupt.
The Cruze will be available in June
Opel will be sold
Saab is sold.
The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011
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« Reply #504 on: November 25, 2009, 04:30:02 pm » |
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..... NOV eleventh 2011 U say.................... ARMATURE DAY...one minute of silence....then listen to the engine HYPER_VENTILATE.................  |
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« Reply #505 on: November 25, 2009, 04:39:51 pm » |
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We will not go bankrupt.
The Cruze will be available in June
Opel will be sold
Saab is sold.
The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011
GM made all these statements. Why will the last one be true when the others were not?
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blah blah blah Toyota blah blah blah I feel your pain; you've got a GM, it's worth squat and you owe on it.
Dude, if the displacment is EXACT, it's not "all new". The intake is different, the VVT is now on both sets of valves In the automotive world "all new" often means somewhat different
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« Reply #506 on: November 25, 2009, 04:43:07 pm » |
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We will not go bankrupt.
The Cruze will be available in June
Opel will be sold
Saab is sold.
The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011
GM made all these statements. Why will the last one be true when the others were not?
That is the 'overwhelimg body of evidence to indicate the Volt won't be realesed on time next November'? wow where were you during the OJ trial? Still avoiding the question? WHy will this one come true when all the others did not? Why will it 'be different THIS time"? |
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« Reply #507 on: November 25, 2009, 04:55:02 pm » |
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Still avoiding the question?
WHy will this one come true when all the others did not?
Why will it 'be different THIS time"?
Still unable to provide any of the 'overwhelimg body of evidence to indicate the Volt won't be realesed on time next November'? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Read thru this thread, go out and do searches on this great thing called the internet, try to find something that says GM will not be producing the Volt............. P.S. only one of those statements that you provided was directly Volt related and it indicated that 'The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011' can't I simply quote you as an answer to yourself? lol |
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Dude, if the displacment is EXACT, it's not "all new". The intake is different, the VVT is now on both sets of valves In the automotive world "all new" often means somewhat different
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« Reply #508 on: November 25, 2009, 05:38:07 pm » |
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Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. - Dale Carnegie
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« Reply #509 on: November 25, 2009, 05:47:23 pm » |
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Just because you can't afford, or know anything about, Can't afford a Volt? That is funny! |
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« Reply #510 on: November 25, 2009, 06:05:15 pm » |
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Still avoiding the question?
WHy will this one come true when all the others did not?
Why will it 'be different THIS time"?
Still unable to provide any of the 'overwhelimg body of evidence to indicate the Volt won't be realesed on time next November'? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Read thru this thread, go out and do searches on this great thing called the internet, try to find something that says GM will not be producing the Volt............. P.S. only one of those statements that you provided was directly Volt related and it indicated that 'The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011' can't I simply quote you as an answer to yourself? lol Internet? Type in Volt Delayed and you get Bob Lutz explains exactly why Volt delayed: batteries late, engineers want perfect software Bob also took questions on why the Volt release and test drives were delayed. http://green.autoblog.com/2008/01/18/bob-lutz-explains-exactly-why-volt-delayed-batteries-late-engi/How about this? GM announced that they would be delaying construction of a Flint, Mich. plant for the production of engines for the Chevrolet Cruze and the electric hybrid Volt So the evidence is there that there HAVE been delays in the Volt program. But of course that couldn't possibly happen again. But you are absolutly sure that the Volt will be released by Novemebr 31 2010 NO LATER becuase of your SUPREME knowledge based on GM press relases? FUnny you didn't read this: In fact, a few days later GM CEO Fritz Henderson was in Washington DC giving testimony to members of Congress. Among other things, he was asked about the status of the Volt by Michigan Senator Carl Levin.
The Detroit News reported his response as follows:
Henderson said the Volt would be released at the “very end” of November or December of next year.
So GM's own CEO states in front of CONGRESS that it could be December but you know better right? http://gm-volt.com/2009/11/02/one-year-left-to-volt-launch-has-the-date-slipped/You want evidence? There is your evidence. A stament from GM's CEO that the Volt may not be released in November 2010. |
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« Reply #511 on: November 25, 2009, 06:21:01 pm » |
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OK you Volt experts a many, what's this about  Could this be the first public acknowledgment that they're having drive train issues? Unsolvable drive train issues?  You’ve got to understand that all of the decisions that we’ve made around this product are made because its an EV. That is the first and foremost thing that it needs to be. So because it is an EV some of the decisions that we’ve made around engine operation will be different than what Toyota makes in its parallel hybrid. For them they are always operating in hybrid mode so they need to optimize everything for engine operation.
In our case we’re optimizing everything for EV operation and the secondary is certainly going to be better than conventional vehicles, but were not necessarily totally optimizing the system for charge sustaining mode because we don’t want to compromise electric vehicle mode."You’ve got to understand" (I use that phrase myself when I'm the bearer of bad news).  "not necessarily""don’t want to compromise electric vehicle mode"Sounds like back tracking double speak to me.  Please DISCUSS if you dare!  |
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« Reply #512 on: November 25, 2009, 06:52:18 pm » |
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« Reply #513 on: November 26, 2009, 11:22:52 am » |
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Still avoiding the question?
WHy will this one come true when all the others did not?
Why will it 'be different THIS time"?
Still unable to provide any of the 'overwhelimg body of evidence to indicate the Volt won't be realesed on time next November'? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Read thru this thread, go out and do searches on this great thing called the internet, try to find something that says GM will not be producing the Volt............. P.S. only one of those statements that you provided was directly Volt related and it indicated that 'The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011' can't I simply quote you as an answer to yourself? lol Internet? Type in Volt Delayed and you get Bob Lutz explains exactly why Volt delayed: batteries late, engineers want perfect software Bob also took questions on why the Volt release and test drives were delayed. http://green.autoblog.com/2008/01/18/bob-lutz-explains-exactly-why-volt-delayed-batteries-late-engi/How about this? GM announced that they would be delaying construction of a Flint, Mich. plant for the production of engines for the Chevrolet Cruze and the electric hybrid Volt So the evidence is there that there HAVE been delays in the Volt program. But of course that couldn't possibly happen again. But you are absolutly sure that the Volt will be released by Novemebr 31 2010 NO LATER becuase of your SUPREME knowledge based on GM press relases? FUnny you didn't read this: In fact, a few days later GM CEO Fritz Henderson was in Washington DC giving testimony to members of Congress. Among other things, he was asked about the status of the Volt by Michigan Senator Carl Levin.
The Detroit News reported his response as follows:
Henderson said the Volt would be released at the “very end” of November or December of next year.
So GM's own CEO states in front of CONGRESS that it could be December but you know better right? http://gm-volt.com/2009/11/02/one-year-left-to-volt-launch-has-the-date-slipped/You want evidence? There is your evidence. A stament from GM's CEO that the Volt may not be released in November 2010. How can you continue to show you don't know anything about the Volt, yet keep on coming back like you do? Ummmm lets see - the quote from maximum Bob was said when exactly? Jan 18, 2008? was the Volt set to go into production at that time? was it approved by the board of directors at that time? If you knew about the Volt then you would know that Bob was saying that WELL before the GM board approved the Volt for production. Even so, didn't Bob say all along, including before it was approved by GM's board, that they wanted to produce the Volt in late 2010? has that changed at all since the Board approved it for production? NO Regarding the delayed production of the engine plant, where does it say anywhere that the delay of the construction of the engine plant would in fact delay the start of production of the Volt? And, when you think about it, which of course you don't, the Cruze which was delayed 3 months until the third quarter 2010 - right around when the Volt is to go into production........ So, where again is the 'overwhelimg body of evidence to indicate the Volt won't be realesed on time next November'? anything at all since the GM board approved it for production? and even better, did that 'delay' Bob mentioned above cause any actual delay in the Volts timeline for production? lol Whats funny is you don't read your own 'evidence' fully: Released or produced? I am not sure how long it takes a vehicle once it comes off the assembly line to reach the person that bought it. Where is the production delay there? http://green.autoblog.com/gallery/chevrolet-volt-development-update-nov-17-2009/#12Looks like according to these slides provided by GM everything is on track, and that SORP is Nov 2010 In your link if you keep reading there is this little bit which, of course you didn't read or understand: Henderson said the Volt would be released at the “very end” of November or December of next year. December? Are there some delays creeping in? According to Volt spokesperson Rob Peterson, no. “Production launch remains November 2010,” he said. “Once vehicles are built they are sent to dealers. No change in plans.” On an online webchat the new Volt vehicle line executive Doug Parks who is replacing Frank Weber was also asked if Henderson was setting the stage for a date slip. “There is no contradiction,” responded Parks. “Fritz essentially said we are on time and target. Our start of production remains November 2010 – a year from now.” |
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« Reply #514 on: November 26, 2009, 11:38:07 am » |
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Just because you can't afford, or know anything about, Can't afford a Volt? That is funny! whats funny is you being a typical artic and not REMEMBERING anything as you've already implied I cannot afford the Volt on page 15 of this very thread....... stupid is as stupid does.... and continues on and on being stupid...... |
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blah blah blah Toyota blah blah blah I feel your pain; you've got a GM, it's worth squat and you owe on it.
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« Reply #517 on: November 26, 2009, 12:07:34 pm » |
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OK you Volt experts a many, what's this about Could this be the first public acknowledgment that they're having drive train issues? Unsolvable drive train issues? You’ve got to understand that all of the decisions that we’ve made around this product are made because its an EV. That is the first and foremost thing that it needs to be. So because it is an EV some of the decisions that we’ve made around engine operation will be different than what Toyota makes in its parallel hybrid. For them they are always operating in hybrid mode so they need to optimize everything for engine operation.
In our case we’re optimizing everything for EV operation and the secondary is certainly going to be better than conventional vehicles, but were not necessarily totally optimizing the system for charge sustaining mode because we don’t want to compromise electric vehicle mode."You’ve got to understand" (I use that phrase myself when I'm the bearer of bad news). "not necessarily""don’t want to compromise electric vehicle mode"Sounds like back tracking double speak to me. Please DISCUSS if you dare! What they are talking about is the abruptness of the ramp up in the gasoline motor. It's an easy fix. I deal with similar situations with VFD controlled electric motors in industrial settings all the time. When commissioning a vfd, usually you start with a set of default parameters. They work, but the motor speed is pretty roughly controlled. It takes a bit of tuning to get the motor speed to ramp up/down smoothly, optimization if you will. |
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« Reply #518 on: November 26, 2009, 12:59:09 pm » |
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You know, this is funny.
A year ago, the G8 was GM's salvation. The slappies went wild with glee. Gone.
The Cruz was going to be GM's saviour "Import Beater" vol 300. Now it is "delayed" and probably forever.
The new saviour is the Volt, a car that few GM slappies could ever afford. Go work at a Chevy store and see what goes out the door to their cigarette smokin' hair curler customers. It ain't $50,000 sedans.
Which would be interesting, if any of it were true. I can't think of anyone that thought any of these cars were "GM's salvation". "GM's salvation" will come from a broad spectrum of competitive cars. From the cars released lately, they seem to be on their way. The G8 was a very good product, with very bad timing. It happens. As it turns out, it'll be back with a Chev badge. Keep working that strawman though. |
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« Reply #519 on: November 26, 2009, 01:10:03 pm » |
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We will not go bankrupt.
The Cruze will be available in June
Opel will be sold
Saab is sold.
The Volt will be for sale Nov 2011
GM made all these statements. Why will the last one be true when the others were not?
Toyota said they wouldn't post a loss. Didn't happen. Toyota said they'd sell 200k Tundra's a year. Didn't happen. They said they were getting into light diesel trucks. Didn't happen. They said they were getting into the heavy duty pickup market. Didn't happen. Does that mean that we can't believe that there will be a 2011 x? All manufacturers have to adapt to "circumstances on the ground". Still nothing to suggest the Volt is delayed. |
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