Production Volt

[drederick]

You have PROOF that the Volt won't be produced,

Nope, I do not, but neither do I have an intro or delivery date. Seeing is believing and if the Volt does reach production, I wish GM all the best with it.

How un-unusual - you can't back up what you write.

'Seeing is believing' eh? try going here:
http://www.chevroletvoltage.com/

what do you see there that is so hard to believe? Oh maybe that GM is going to have a product no one else has?

[rrocket]

^^There are images AND videos here of Chryslers EV vehicles....(you know..the ones that will NEVER be built).  Just because there are pics and images.......

  For the record though, I believe the Volt will be built.  But I think the speculation is because it's so far off, the release date isn't reliable yet, no pricing, financial uncertainty of GM, etc...


http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/electric.html

[Honda Owner]

Seeing is believing' eh? try going here:
http://www.chevroletvoltage.com/

Gee, I looked all over that site and could not find anything about intro or delivery dates. Got a link?

[toolatecrew]

You have PROOF that the Volt won't be produced,

Nope, I do not, but neither do I have an intro or delivery date. Seeing is believing and if the Volt does reach production, I wish GM all the best with it.

How un-unusual - you can't back up what you write.

'Seeing is believing' eh? try going here:
http://www.chevroletvoltage.com/

what do you see there that is so hard to believe? Oh maybe that GM is going to have a product no one else has?

Can you show us where the link to the pricing is? I couldn't find it? Can't find any pictures of production vehciles, option packages, exterior interior colors.

I find it really strange that Cev would not provide such important info on its Volt site..oh wait its not Chev's volt site its essentially a facebook site for Volt and Ev Lovers.

[drederick]

^^There are images AND videos here of Chryslers EV vehicles....(you know..the ones that will NEVER be built).  Just because there are pics and images.......

  For the record though, I believe the Volt will be built.  But I think the speculation is because it's so far off, the release date isn't reliable yet, no pricing, financial uncertainty of GM, etc...


http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/electric.html

I have to admit, unlike others who talk out of their arsssses, I didn't pay any attention to the Chrysler electric vehicles. But, based on what I see in the link you provided, and other searches - those vehicles were (and as listed in the link's url above) 'concepts'. In fact, if you read your links information closely you'll see the difference between these cars and the Volt:

The three cars introduced on September 23 are production-intent; at least one will be produced in 2010 for North America (and is planned to hit Europe afterwards), and talks in December indicate all three will make the cut.

They showed them as concepts and hadn't made a decision. The Volt on the other hand was shown as a concept, but then it was decided to go ahead with the project to produce it. Not even bankruptcy stopped the work on the Volt.

The Volt is probably the most watched car being produced on the planet. GM is being upfront far more than any other car company to my knowledge about a vehicle that is being worked on for production.

All the answers will be along in good time. But until they say 'we're not going to build it', then they are going to build it.

[drederick]

Seeing is believing' eh? try going here:
http://www.chevroletvoltage.com/

Gee, I looked all over that site and could not find anything about intro or delivery dates. Got a link?

Gee, when it is announced you'll see the info. How closely do vehicles get this information posted relative to their production start? You know sooooooo oooo ooooo much about cars, what is best practice in the Auto industry for releasing this information?

If you KNOW so much, which will come first:
1) the intro and delivery dates, pricing

or

2) the GM announcement that the Volt will NOT be produced

[drederick]

Can you show us where the link to the pricing is? I couldn't find it? Can't find any pictures of production vehciles, option packages, exterior interior colors.

I find it really strange that Cev would not provide such important info on its Volt site..oh wait its not Chev's volt site its essentially a facebook site for Volt and Ev Lovers.

I asked this of artic honda owner, but maybe you can answer this one because if you answer this, then maybe you can answer your own questions:

what is best practice in the Auto industry for releasing this information?

[toolatecrew]

Can you show us where the link to the pricing is? I couldn't find it? Can't find any pictures of production vehciles, option packages, exterior interior colors.

I find it really strange that Cev would not provide such important info on its Volt site..oh wait its not Chev's volt site its essentially a facebook site for Volt and Ev Lovers.

I asked this of artic honda owner, but maybe you can answer this one because if you answer this, then maybe you can answer your own questions:

what is best practice in the Auto industry for releasing this information?

Nope you don't get to sidestep the question sorry.

You presented the link as some type of "proof" that the Volt "exisits". A third party website with videos of a test mule doesn't consitute proof.

That same kind of "proof" was shown by Chrysler before they klilled the entire program.

Just admit it. the Volt does not "exisit" at this time. it could exist. Maybe its very likley to exist. But it does not exist today. As of TODAY GM doesn't have a product you can buy. Its not for sale in another market.

I'm going to be producing a 1000hp eletric vehcile in my backyar to be launched in 2020. Until I announce its NOT going to be produced I guess we can all assume that it exisits?

[Leviathan]

You kids play nicely together now ya hear?

[Honda Owner]

Hey, it has been a tough year for GM slappies, what with all the B word stuff and if I were a fanatic and saw my temple burn down, I would be looking for a new messiah, too. In this case it is the Volt.

[Thinking Out Loud]

Where is Barrie1, by the by?

[articsteve]

He lives again ... on this site. 

XXX
 says:

Nov 2nd, 09
at 11:25 pm


I get a kick oout of you rookies who really think you are car experts. I have owned dozs of vehicles over the years and they include vehicles from virtually all continents. Strange how the Japanese never have any recalls while the Detroit 3 have been honest and above board on theirs. Lord knows dozs of times the rice machines should have been recalled from so many things including rot and rust in the beginning til now with sour front end parts and lousy auto trannies in the Honda’s. Our Gov should have never let this junk in Canada or the US and should play the same game for blocking entry that the Foreign builders have done and still do in their countries. There will never be another import on my land again as they just do compare to a Big 3 vehicle in quality at all. Neither do their trucks as well and i have owned them as well. and still do own a GMC which is 38 years old and still faithful.

[tpl]

Certainly looks a bit like his prose style but I wouldn't bet on it.

[rrocket]

^^There are images AND videos here of Chryslers EV vehicles....(you know..the ones that will NEVER be built).  Just because there are pics and images.......

  For the record though, I believe the Volt will be built.  But I think the speculation is because it's so far off, the release date isn't reliable yet, no pricing, financial uncertainty of GM, etc...


http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/electric.html

I have to admit, unlike others who talk out of their arsssses, I didn't pay any attention to the Chrysler electric vehicles. But, based on what I see in the link you provided, and other searches - those vehicles were (and as listed in the link's url above) 'concepts'. In fact, if you read your links information closely you'll see the difference between these cars and the Volt:

The three cars introduced on September 23 are production-intent; at least one will be produced in 2010 for North America (and is planned to hit Europe afterwards), and talks in December indicate all three will make the cut.

They showed them as concepts and hadn't made a decision. The Volt on the other hand was shown as a concept, but then it was decided to go ahead with the project to produce it. Not even bankruptcy stopped the work on the Volt.

The Volt is probably the most watched car being produced on the planet. GM is being upfront far more than any other car company to my knowledge about a vehicle that is being worked on for production.

All the answers will be along in good time. But until they say 'we're not going to build it', then they are going to build it.

In the Chrysler release you refer to, they flat out say one vehicle WILL be produced in 2010...just like the Volt WILL be on sale in 2010.  So what's the difference?  Both company have rolling production intent prototypes.  Neither has a consumer production car yet.  Both said not that they MIGHT build these cars, but that they WILL.  Chrysler said they WOULD produce one of them (and maybe all 3), and now they're not.  Additionally, Chrysler also said in another release there WILL be at least 100 of these on the road in 2009 and there WOULD be at least a fleet of 250 of these for the US Postal Service, which was actually a quicker ramp up and implementation than even the Volt.  And not only that, they actually delivered FOUR of them to the USPS already.  

So Chrysler has even delivered 4 vehicles to the USPS (ahead of any deliveries of the Volt) and now that entire EV project has been scrapped.  No doubt for financial reasons.

So you can see why some doubt the Volt being built to the timeline GM has put forth.  And I can certainly understand some of this doubt.  Do I think the Volt will be built?  YES.  But can I understand the doubt based on GM bankruptcy and this economic climate?  YES.

[Thinking Out Loud]

He lives again ... on this site. 

XXX
 says:

Nov 2nd, 09
at 11:25 pm


I get a kick oout of you rookies who really think you are car experts. I have owned dozs of vehicles over the years and they include vehicles from virtually all continents. Strange how the Japanese never have any recalls while the Detroit 3 have been honest and above board on theirs. Lord knows dozs of times the rice machines should have been recalled from so many things including rot and rust in the beginning til now with sour front end parts and lousy auto trannies in the Honda’s. Our Gov should have never let this junk in Canada or the US and should play the same game for blocking entry that the Foreign builders have done and still do in their countries. There will never be another import on my land again as they just do compare to a Big 3 vehicle in quality at all. Neither do their trucks as well and i have owned them as well. and still do own a GMC which is 38 years old and still faithful.

The angst is familiar, but grammatically Barrie1 wasn't THAT bad.   

Buzz?  Ken?  Is that YOU?

[articsteve]

Certainly looks a bit like his prose style but I wouldn't bet on it.

but you're not a gambler.  

It's so him.  What recent past member had a 1972 GMC pickup, hates Japanese products because of rot and rust (remember his alleged Honda), takes "vehicle" nationalism to a moronic level, regards himself as a seasoned expert, uses "as well" in every communication more than once, posts late at night, and identifies his favorite company in his user name that I purposely omitted.

It's good to see him back .... as well.  

[rrocket]

^^Hell yea!!  I always liked the guy despite his cuckoo posts.  Was always nice to chat him up at the track too...

[Thinking Out Loud]

 

[drederick]

^^There are images AND videos here of Chryslers EV vehicles....(you know..the ones that will NEVER be built).  Just because there are pics and images.......

  For the record though, I believe the Volt will be built.  But I think the speculation is because it's so far off, the release date isn't reliable yet, no pricing, financial uncertainty of GM, etc...


http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/electric.html

I have to admit, unlike others who talk out of their arsssses, I didn't pay any attention to the Chrysler electric vehicles. But, based on what I see in the link you provided, and other searches - those vehicles were (and as listed in the link's url above) 'concepts'. In fact, if you read your links information closely you'll see the difference between these cars and the Volt:

The three cars introduced on September 23 are production-intent; at least one will be produced in 2010 for North America (and is planned to hit Europe afterwards), and talks in December indicate all three will make the cut.

They showed them as concepts and hadn't made a decision. The Volt on the other hand was shown as a concept, but then it was decided to go ahead with the project to produce it. Not even bankruptcy stopped the work on the Volt.

The Volt is probably the most watched car being produced on the planet. GM is being upfront far more than any other car company to my knowledge about a vehicle that is being worked on for production.

All the answers will be along in good time. But until they say 'we're not going to build it', then they are going to build it.

In the Chrysler release you refer to, they flat out say one vehicle WILL be produced in 2010...just like the Volt WILL be on sale in 2010.  So what's the difference?  Both company have rolling production intent prototypes.  Neither has a consumer production car yet.  Both said not that they MIGHT build these cars, but that they WILL.  Chrysler said they WOULD produce one of them (and maybe all 3), and now they're not.  Additionally, Chrysler also said in another release there WILL be at least 100 of these on the road in 2009 and there WOULD be at least a fleet of 250 of these for the US Postal Service, which was actually a quicker ramp up and implementation than even the Volt.  And not only that, they actually delivered FOUR of them to the USPS already.  

So Chrysler has even delivered 4 vehicles to the USPS (ahead of any deliveries of the Volt) and now that entire EV project has been scrapped.  No doubt for financial reasons.

So you can see why some doubt the Volt being built to the timeline GM has put forth.  And I can certainly understand some of this doubt.  Do I think the Volt will be built?  YES.  But can I understand the doubt based on GM bankruptcy and this economic climate?  YES.

That is YOUR interpretation of what Chrysler said. I read that they are thinking about it - the final decision had not been made - hence the terms 'concept' and 'production-intent'. It looks like Motortrend picked up on what I read, not what you read:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_chrysler_envi_electric_vehicle_plans/index.html

some choice parts:
'Warning: the press release includes the words "production intent"
'However, the words "production-intent" gives Chrysler wiggle room.'

Lets see what GM said about the Volt - here is the title of the press release where it was debuted in Europe:
Chevrolet Volt Production Version: A New Breed of Electric Vehicle
http://archives.media.gm.com/archive/documents/domain_520/docId_49045_pr.html

hmmmm 'Production' versus 'Production-intent'

Finally, as you probably won't read the press release, here is the last point of the release:
GM's Board of Directors approved the production of the Chevrolet Volt. The targeted launch date is late 2010 as a 2011 model.

Again - GM approved it to go into production.

What exactly did Chrysler approve? I can't find anything concrete at all that compares to that from GM's own press release.

Why does it matter if Chrysler delivered any vehicles to USPS and Chevrolet hasn't delievered any Volts? Did Chevrolet say they would deliver any vehicles yet to anyone? I can't recall them saying they would do so, so what does that mean exactly? NOTHING! All of the Volts (and there are plenty of pre-production ones around in GM) are being used for testing within GM, why doesn't that mean anything?

Heck the Volt survived the GM bankruptcy...... if they were going to kill it, wouldn't that have been the time to do so?

I surely understand that there is doubt about GM delivering the Volt in the timeline they have set forth - late 2010 as a 2011 model. But it will be produced.

[tpl]

^^Hell yea!!  I always liked the guy despite his cuckoo posts.  Was always nice to chat him up at the track too...

I liked his posts in general ( no pun intended)  and I cared not about his rants... this is the internet... you're allowed to rant.