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Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« on: September 15, 2008, 11:13:01 am »
I just returned my leased Accord 2 weeks ago and got a bill in the mail for $2900.00!!

Here's what they are trying to nab me for:
1) Aftermarket Cold Air Intake
2) Aftermarket Exhaust
3) Windshield

Datascan (3rd party inspection agency) came to my house 2 weeks prior to me returning the vehicle and put those items on the sheet with the amounts to change them and place new parts on the vehicle.
I still had all the OEM parts and put everything back to OEM spec assuming after I dropped the vehicle off Honda would do a final inspection.....
The Windshield was a small crack which I had filled in and either way Honda Finance states if the chip is smaller than a dime it's $100.

Anyone run into this at all?
I am not paying any of this and don't know how to prove my case.

Many thanks in advance if someone can lead me in the proper direction.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 01:09:52 pm »
Since they are claiming aftermarket exhaust and the $ to change it back to stock I'd ask them to kindly return the aftermarket exhaust to you after they remove it. Wait there isn't one.

Sounds like simple paperwork to me. They didn't do a second isnspection and I'd ask to see the documentaion from the 2nd inspection with pictures. Otherwise see you in small claims court.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 01:53:56 pm »
I just returned my leased Accord 2 weeks ago and got a bill in the mail for $2900.00!!

Here's what they are trying to nab me for:
1) Aftermarket Cold Air Intake
2) Aftermarket Exhaust
3) Windshield

Datascan (3rd party inspection agency) came to my house 2 weeks prior to me returning the vehicle and put those items on the sheet with the amounts to change them and place new parts on the vehicle.
I still had all the OEM parts and put everything back to OEM spec assuming after I dropped the vehicle off Honda would do a final inspection.....
The Windshield was a small crack which I had filled in and either way Honda Finance states if the chip is smaller than a dime it's $100.

Anyone run into this at all?
I am not paying any of this and don't know how to prove my case.

Many thanks in advance if someone can lead me in the proper direction.

An inside contact that is involved with Honda on the retail side was telling me that due to the collapsing price of used vehicles (including gasp Hondas) that Honda Canada was "encouraging" current lease owners to buy out their vehicles. Being extremely picky on lease returns was one way to encouraging a buyout.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 01:54:47 pm »
Sounds like Mazda ;).

Not only did they not look the second time, they probably would only sign off on the parts being changed with a receipt from a garage (meaning you can't put them back on yourself B.S.).

Just ask them to re-check the car and it should go away.


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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 03:56:48 pm »
It's already been returned to a Dealer...
He asked me for the Datascan report and I hadn't printed it out and brought it with me.
I told him I could print it out and he said not to worry about it.

He then said it was gonna be auctioned off within 20 minutes online....

Either way i returned it in an OEM state and am unsure as to what to do now....It's my word against theres.

Secondly if it did go to auction immediately after dropping it off....Why would Honda care about any of that nonsense??

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 04:16:09 pm »
It's already been returned to a Dealer...
He asked me for the Datascan report and I hadn't printed it out and brought it with me.
I told him I could print it out and he said not to worry about it.

He then said it was gonna be auctioned off within 20 minutes online....

Either way i returned it in an OEM state and am unsure as to what to do now....It's my word against theres.

Secondly if it did go to auction immediately after dropping it off....Why would Honda care about any of that nonsense??

Honda auctions their lease returns somewhere in the East. Honda dealers (and others?) bid online. A lease return say in edmonton would be shipped all the way down East to said location. If the Edmonton dealer bids on it and is successful it will be shipped all the way back out. Efficient isn't it?

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 05:06:45 pm »
Are you stating it goes back to a Central location for the 2nd inspection then?

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 05:27:06 pm »
Are you stating it goes back to a Central location for the 2nd inspection then?

No just a central auction.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 10:42:15 pm »
Not sure why Honda Finance cares if there is aftermarket intake and exhaust on it then...Especially considering the vehicle was in mint condition and only 66,000 KMS...
If they auction it off why do they even care about that stuff?

I understand all the normal wear and tear stuff they need to fix but bolt on parts that don't affect anything???

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 09:09:02 am »
The only reason  Datscan/Honda cares is because they see an opportunity to make money from you. 
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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 07:37:17 pm »
Get used to this guys.....the leasing companies are taking it on the chin with the shift in used car values after the CDN $ rallied so much. I'd say they're prepared to try just about anything to claw back some of hit they've been taking.
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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 10:36:52 am »
I guess I'm going to small claims court because those parts aren't even on the vehicle anymore..It was put back to OEM spec.
Buncha turkeys!!

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 02:43:29 pm »
I guess I'm going to small claims court because those parts aren't even on the vehicle anymore..It was put back to OEM spec.
Buncha turkeys!!

Have they provided you with a copy of the final inspection performed at the dealer ? What Autovin does is a preinspection. The condition could obviously change bewteen when they inspect and when you turn in.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 04:04:05 pm »
Dealer didn't even come out and look at it....
Datascan said to change those items on there report or else they would bill me for parts/labour to replac e to OEM spec.
I did it myself as I had original parts and dropped it at the Dealer thinking they would see that the parts were back to OEM and acknowledge it...

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 05:13:44 pm »
You should have dragged the guy out and pointed out the changes, just call Honda I'm sure if you are calm and explain the situation all will be fine.  Is the car still at the dealer?

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 01:25:15 pm »
I am experiencing the same Datascan problem with my Accura.  An inspection report that lists insignificant items that have no effect on the value of the car.  Honda Finance on the telephone said that the cost of the repairs would be reduced or eliminated if I leased another car.   I have also been asked a number of times by them if I want to buy the car.   In my opinion Honda and Datascan are doing this to either collect money that will NEVER be used to repair the car - or trying to get you to purchase the car so they don't have to sell it.  On all accounts is blackmail.  Never again with Honda - or any leasing company that uses Datascan.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 03:25:06 pm »
a little ignorance here i think, no offense.  inspection companies dont get paid for finding damage, they have no other interest other than completing an inspection. period.  they get a set fee regardless of what the lessee's bill is.  that's why a 3rd party is sent out.  to the OP (even though an old post) you cannot tune a leased car...... would you rent a car for a week an put aftermarket parts on it?? it has a deminished value because of it.  a completely stock car has a wider range of demograghic to sell it to.  someone needs to return it to stock so they can resell it, who should pay?   after it is done they arent going to stick you with the bill.  i even think your lease agreement states only OE parts. sounds like your dealer fell short in taking your car in and should have delt with Honda.  in any event, i returned my car and spoke with the leasing company about some repairs that needed to be made and they were more than accomidating in having my bill revised.  i think if you speak to them they are pretty reasonable even if there is an error on the report.

working with them is far easier then working against them.  creating a stink because you think the inspection company and the leasing company are working together to rim you of is a little bit silly.  mistakes can be made or the damage is justified.  either way if you just speak to them and ask the right questions you will probable get a bit further.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2012, 04:32:39 pm »
If you want to mod, don't lease.

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Re: Lease Return-HONDA FINANCE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2012, 05:03:27 pm »
Why didn't you just put your stock exhaust and intake back on before bringing it in?  ???
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2012, 05:35:22 pm »
Why didn't you just put your stock exhaust and intake back on before bringing it in?  ???

He did, but had it inspected 2 weeks before he dropped it off.

It's a screwy system to have it inspected and signed off 2 weeks before it is returned. A lot can happen to a car in 2 weeks. Having said that, customers need to take some responsibility for knowing what their lease contract states. The notion that any particular item has no effect on resale value is irrelevant. If the contract the customer signs and agrees to says that the car must be in so-and-so condition then that is the way it has to be.

I also find it interesting to hear comments along the lines of, "it's going to auction so what does it matter?" Off lease cars are purchased at auction by retailers and if they believe that they won't be able to sell a car for as much because of aftermarket equipment, they won't bid as much. Therefore the lease company will not get as much for their lease return.

As a side note, aftermarket equipment on a late model vehicle is absolutely worthless to a used car dealer. If somebody brings me a 2 or 3 year old Mustang with cold air kits, aftermarket chips, and custom graphics they are always stunned to learn the trade in value is less than if it was bone stock. Generally, people that do aftermarket upgrades want to do their own upgrades. They aren't interested in paying more to buy somebody else's idea of custom work.