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Buying a car?
« on: August 22, 2008, 08:04:12 pm »
Right, we've landed and started looking for a house so that bit will sort itself out.  What I really need now is a car, especially seeing as I've got a chevy impala rental at the moment and it's costing me a small fortune...

So rather than dwell on what car(s) I would really want at the moment, our situation of temporary SIN numbers and only just starting work mean that we have little or no credit history in Canada.  I've been to a couple of local dealers, some more helpful than others, but do any other immigrants on this board have experience of this situation.

What I have is a Canadian bank account, Canadian credit and debit cards, an income, my UK credit history showing very good credit, and a contract with a very reputable comany.

What I need is a car dealership that will make a decision using a human element rather than just typing everything into a computer and seeing if it says no... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBAibOQchD0

Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 09:19:41 pm »
You've the basics covered very well Bob. You'll have to try different dealers to figure out whether they will help or not. Your advantage is that your UK credit history can be used/accepted by lending institutions.

I am not sure about new cars, but used car could be financed albeit with a larger down payment and/or higher interest rate.

You should talk to insurance companies to figure out which ones would accept your UK insurance record, that could cause a rethink on vehicle choice.

or you'll have to find a used car dealer with insurance agent services that would help you get over these hurdles. They're out there.
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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 09:23:48 pm »
can you use a UK card to get a car?

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 09:26:51 pm »
What I need is a car dealership that will make a decision using a human element rather than just typing everything into a computer and seeing if it says no...

If your talking about new car dealers and their financing arms, for example, a Toyota dealer and Toyota Credit Canada (Toyota Financial Services) then they and they alone decide the loan criteria.  Nothing the dealer says will alter their decision.

Now, there are other lenders, but at what rate; 28.9%  :nono:

I think your best just to dig into that couple of mil that you brought over and find a nice private sale.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 09:33:18 pm »
What about trying to buy something in a private sale that you could easily turn around and sell a year down the road when you have more credit history in Canada?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2008, 10:01:53 pm »
welcome bob!!  the clouds must have cleared the day you landed.   this is probably the worst summer for rain in history.  don't buy North american.   good luck!!  haha    :P   

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2008, 11:05:03 pm »
Why not buy North American?   They depreciate like crazy so it would be possible to buy a recent used North American without having to borrow money at a high interest rate.  It would be something to use for a bit while one builds his/her Canadian credit rating history.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 11:35:56 pm »
You've the basics covered very well Bob. You'll have to try different dealers to figure out whether they will help or not. Your advantage is that your UK credit history can be used/accepted by lending institutions.

I am not sure about new cars, but used car could be financed albeit with a larger down payment and/or higher interest rate.

You should talk to insurance companies to figure out which ones would accept your UK insurance record, that could cause a rethink on vehicle choice.

or you'll have to find a used car dealer with insurance agent services that would help you get over these hurdles. They're out there.

All good points. The local ford dealer was hilarious, talked the talk, but when I wanted to look inside a shelby mustang he wouldn't even open it, said it was locked (and this is inside the showroom), said it was a performance car and some people buy them with the dealer stickers on and won't even drive them.  I said I just wanted to open the door and look at the interior... not sit in it... nope, it's staying locked, "it's a performance car don't you know"...  What a moron, didn't tell him that BMW gave me a Z4 for the day, or that I got to test drive an Exige for an hour, oh, and I bought both.  I won't be going back there...  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Thing is about buying used and/or getting a loan is that all our money is going into buying a house at the moment, so very little left for a car, we need a 10% downpayment for a mortgage due to our temporary SIN's [sic].  So a $0 down deal on a car would be great...

AB do you mean use a UK credit card?  Why would I want to do that, that would only leave me with sterling debts that would be a nightmare to pay off.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008, 08:01:42 am »
I was unsure if you need long term financing
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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2008, 08:14:51 am »
Bob - you mentioned that you have your credit history but you didn't say anything about your car and home insurance history. The house isn't a big deal but the car is.

In Canada they will treat and rate you as a new driver ($$$$$) unless you can show them your history. Some insurance companies will accept your UK history and some won't so you need to get it and then shop around as to who will insure you.

Once you know that - then you can look for a car based on the rates they have for the models you like.

It's a PITA system, but somehow works despite the many shortcomings.

One comment about the Mitsi, and I'll make it here - it was on the list of cars to look at but the interior let me down and no visor extenders for those bright sunny days. And then there is the issue of the rear tailgate. If you get smucked in the rear it will be expensive to repair.

And you've driven a Subie enough to know it's a good car and engine so I would really look at the Forester, even though it isn't a six.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2008, 11:27:37 am »
All good points. The local ford dealer was hilarious, talked the talk, but when I wanted to look inside a shelby mustang he wouldn't even open it, said it was locked (and this is inside the showroom), said it was a performance car and some people buy them with the dealer stickers on and won't even drive them.  I said I just wanted to open the door and look at the interior... not sit in it... nope, it's staying locked, "it's a performance car don't you know"...  What a moron, didn't tell him that BMW gave me a Z4 for the day, or that I got to test drive an Exige for an hour, oh, and I bought both.  I won't be going back there...  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

Welcome to Ford North America mentality.

Good luck with your new venture in Canada.
Hopefully you won't have too much trouble finding a finance company to approve your car purchase.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008, 03:11:36 pm »
do you plan to buy cash or finance or lease? Buying cash would be easiest. Also you can look into buying from private sellers. And all these time I thought you drive that TVR.  :)

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2008, 01:09:27 am »
Go to the US, pay cash. :P
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2008, 08:03:50 am »
Go to the US, pay cash. :P

Any cash that I brought is going towards a house, as I need a decent sized downpayment.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2008, 08:04:42 am »
do you plan to buy cash or finance or lease? Buying cash would be easiest. Also you can look into buying from private sellers. And all these time I thought you drive that TVR.  :)

Finance or Lease.  I wish that TVR was mine!

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 12:09:32 pm »
Go to the US, pay cash. :P

Any cash that I brought is going towards a house, as I need a decent sized downpayment.

just wondering is it a good time to buy a house now? The downward trend on RE prices have just started.... ???

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 01:50:17 pm »
I could totally see you in a Dodge Charger R/T.

Anyway, I'd try a manufacturer either hurting for sales or discounting like mad. One with their own captive finance company if the banks won't do it. They'll be most likely to bend I would think. Try to get what you want, but I'd be looking at Chrysler/Hyundai/Mitsu/Mazda if the others say no. Capital is tighter with the US mortgage crisis these days, but no doubt you'll find a reasonable lender with some time and research.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 01:56:07 pm »
Go to the US, pay cash. :P

Any cash that I brought is going towards a house, as I need a decent sized downpayment.

just wondering is it a good time to buy a house now? The downward trend on RE prices have just started.... ???

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 11:23:06 pm »
Go to the US, pay cash. :P

Any cash that I brought is going towards a house, as I need a decent sized downpayment.

just wondering is it a good time to buy a house now? The downward trend on RE prices have just started.... ???

Truth.

Waterloo isn't suffering as much as most, RIM, Google, Sybase and others are still bringing loads of people into the area.

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Re: Buying a car?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2008, 11:38:26 pm »
I think there is little risk of property depreciation in Waterloo.