Topic: Chang Jiang with CJ 750 Sidecar

[casa35]

Great looking bike - one of the owners was saying it was a bear to keep on the road though

He's right, and its even more fun without the sidecar 

I think me means that the Chinese ones are hard to keep running, not that they are fun. 
Personally I can't imagine wanting a copy of a copy of a bike designed 80 years ago and made with materials probably inferior to the original.

Actually I have not had any problem keeping these bikes running..... as for a copy of a copy.... what kinda of TV do you have... or DVD player..... or stereo.... you should flip it over and see where it was manufactured... Likely it is built by a different company then originally designed it ....making it a copy or perhaps even a copy of a copy. The age to be correct on the original BMW R71 was 1938 making it 70 years old.... as for materials you are trying to say that the original in 1938 had better materials then this bike in 1982? ... I doubt that ...I am sure even China surpassed the contruction materials manufactured in 1938 by the early 60's let alone the 80's when these bikes were built.

If you don't like them just say so !

[Arthur Dent]

casa35 - great bikes - if I had the money I'd surely take a look. Alas I don't. Just purely out of interest how much do they go for?

[blur911]

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I think me means that the Chinese ones are hard to keep running, not that they are fun. 
Personally I can't imagine wanting a copy of a copy of a bike designed 80 years ago and made with materials probably inferior to the original.

Actually I have not had any problem keeping these bikes running..... as for a copy of a copy.... what kinda of TV do you have... or DVD player..... or stereo.... you should flip it over and see where it was manufactured... Likely it is built by a different company then originally designed it ....making it a copy or perhaps even a copy of a copy. The age to be correct on the original BMW R71 was 1938 making it 70 years old.... as for materials you are trying to say that the original in 1938 had better materials then this bike in 1982? ... I doubt that ...I am sure even China surpassed the contruction materials manufactured in 1938 by the early 60's let alone the 80's when these bikes were built.

If you don't like them just say so !

Actually, I do believe that German steel  and engineering circa 1938 is probably better than Chinese steel  and copying ability now.
I have several motorcycles and frequent some bike forums.  That's where I read the opinions of others who own Chang Jiang bikes. Here's a few of them, of course YMMV.


The motor is the weak spot, the electrics can be fixed..... the levels of quality can vary to the point of crap. All the chrome, shiny paint and polish can't hide a bunch of worn out parts re-assembled into something called a restored motor.........well you can actually and some builders do hide a bunch a worn out parts in the drive train. And as well meaning as they want to be, the QC at the engine plant is not what it used to be. You could get lucky or you may not.

Keep in mind, even when you buy a "rebuilt" bike, from a maintenance
standpoint, you are buying the equivilent of a worn out BMW. The parts
may be new but the quality control and the tolerances leave much to be
desired. On the plus side, the bike and parts are cheap, and the rig is
easy to work on.
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Chang Jiang; Making ural owners feel technologicaly superior since aprox. 1957

The rules are:

-Don't go on the Interstate.
-Don't trust the previous owner.
-Own tools and know how to use them
-bring said tools along for the ride. EVERY RIDE
-plan on leaving earlier than normal to allow adequate time to get there
-plan and practice a condensed explanation on what the bike is. You'll get stopped, honked at and "bugged" by bikers and non-bikers alike.

In other words, if you can handle the slow speed, the need to wrench often, then the bike will be your favorite.

Being involved with WWII reenacting, I come into contact with MANY cj750 bikes. I have ridden on at least a dozen different CJs in the past year and to my knowledge not 1 of them came close to the quality of my Dnepr (believe it or not).

These poor bikes couldnt run for more than 3 or 4 hours without needing some kind of valve adjustment, carb adjustment or timing adjustment. Granted they were all crapola kit bikes from China, but you would expect a few to be decent.

[safristi]

I'd prefer a Chang Kai shrek..or a donkey KONG......

[Ava8036]

If you know this bike, you will have different opinions;>
I have some pictures of that sidecars, if you are interested, you can view my facebook account:Ava8036

[Honda Owner]

My experience with Chinese machinery is that the quality control is very hit and miss. You might get a good one but there is an equally good chance you will get a bad one.

[mmret]

Actually, I do believe that German steel  and engineering circa 1938 is probably better than Chinese steel  and copying ability now.

All 1,614 feet of the following image begs to differ.


Now you're thinking, maybe this is CG?

[blur911]

Actually, I do believe that German steel  and engineering circa 1938 is probably better than Chinese steel  and copying ability now.

All 1,614 feet of the following image begs to differ.

Now you're thinking, maybe this is CG?

Nope, I'm thinking it's designed by an American architect, built by a Japanese firm.

[mmret]

Contractor: China State Costruction Engineering Corp. and Shanghai Construction (Group) General Co.

Materials likely from from Baosteel Group, no?

But this is a stupid discussion, if you honestly believe that German industry in 1938 had better steelmaking facilities than China in 2009, in the grips of the economic distress that allowed one Adolf Hitler to rise to power, you have your head buried very much in the sand.

[Honda Owner]

Metallurgy has increased massively since 1938. A Rolls-Royce Merlin had a TBO of 100 hours, assuming the aircraft wasn't destroyed by that time.

[Mitlov]

Contractor: China State Costruction Engineering Corp. and Shanghai Construction (Group) General Co.

Materials likely from from Baosteel Group, no?

But this is a stupid discussion, if you honestly believe that German industry in 1938 had better steelmaking facilities than China in 2009, in the grips of the economic distress that allowed one Adolf Hitler to rise to power, you have your head buried very much in the sand.

Hey, let's not let facts and logic get in the way of well-established national stereotypes.

By the way, I dare anyone to find a computer with a more precise and higher-quality build quality than my Shanghai-made MacBook Pro (the new aluminum unibody design).