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Auto import sales soaring
« on: July 26, 2008, 07:55:41 am »
Auto import sales soaring
   
Study shows share reaching one-quarter of market this year

Tony Van Alphen
Business Reporter

Auto imports in Canada and the United States have climbed to their highest levels in two decades, providing union leaders with more ammunition for government intervention.

Canadian and U.S. sales of vehicles from other countries peaked in 1987 and then fell for about 10 years to less than 12 per cent.

Such sales have risen steadily in the past decade to more than 25 per cent of the market so far this year, according to DesRosiers Automotive Consultants.

The trend comes despite a lot more output by the same producers here. The change supports arguments by the Canadian Auto Workers union and some companies that imports are flooding the continent while their home countries put up trade barriers to curb sales of North American-made vehicles.

The union, which represents workers at the three struggling North American-based automakers in Canada, said the increasing number of imports is causing "industrial destruction."

"The surge of imports from offshore is the dominant factor behind the non-stop restructuring announcements we've been hearing from every automaker and almost every parts maker for the last three years," said CAW economist Jim Stanford. He estimated the Canadian industry would have been able to save about 20,000 jobs in the assembly and parts sectors if the offshore market share had stayed at 1997 levels.

The union has called for government intervention to press for fair access to foreign markets and force offshore companies to build more plants here to reflect sales.

In an analysis of the statistics, DesRosiers president Dennis DesRosiers said offshore imports peaked at 4.4 million vehicles, or 27.2 per cent of the market, in 1987, during a cyclical industry downturn in North America.

"We were in a cyclical downturn and this high level of offshore penetration decimated our production of vehicles, leading to significant cutbacks and plant closings at the manufacturing level and a real crisis was upon the industry," he added.

But the number of imports gradually fell to 1.8 million vehicles or 11.2 per cent of the North American market by 1996 as offshore-based automakers jacked up output here, DesRosiers' statistics indicated.

The trend changed again in 1997. Imports started climbing to 4.1 million vehicles last year, or 23.4 per cent. Imports will surpass 4 million this year and hold about 25.5 per cent of the market, DesRosiers predicted. "This is one of the reasons that the cyclical downturn in the market is hurting the sector so much," he said.

"Not only are consumers buying fewer vehicles" he added, "but about a million more of the vehicles that consumers are buying (annually) are being sourced outside North America."

But DesRosiers said the growing popularity of offshore autos may lead to a new round of assembly plants in North America since it would be more profitable to build them here because of high volumes.


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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2008, 10:58:45 am »
 :sleep:

I cannot wait for GM to default on its debt and sold at fire sale price.
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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2008, 12:07:37 pm »
Blame the gov't for uncompetitive products and inefficient business operation models ... why not?! Someone has to take all the blames.


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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2008, 12:22:46 pm »
"The union has called for government intervention to press for fair access to foreign markets and force offshore companies to build more plants here to reflect sales.
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I am getting deeply pissed off with this crap. Jim Stanford should write a paper that details EXACTLY  what are the barriers to access of these "foreign markets"  aka  Japan and Korea.  Furthermore he should define those barriers in terms of barriers to vehicles built by the Canadian plants of the Big3.

I would suggest that the following are NOT barriers, as Canada and the USA both have them themselves>
 Duties/Tariffs  applied to imported vehicles that are WTO compliant duties
 Specific emission controls, bumper strengths, seat belts,  etc.  The usual stuff, odometer markings, headlamp aim, colour of indicators
 Manuals written in the language(s) of the receiving country.

Some things that might or might not be legitimate barriers.
 Steering wheel on the wrong side
 Different taxes by engine size.
 Maximum width/length/engine size
Quotas by manufacturer
Quotas by local content/ requirements for local content

Some things which are possibly not legitimate
 Certain parts may not be imported at all.
 Differential duties by country of origin that are not WTO compliant


Anyway the list can go on and on....  there are many weird ones... I suspect that once your ECU processor gets to a certain performance level that you probably can't ship cars with it into North Korea for instance.

I'd just like to see the CAW make the exact list of things they are complaining about.
 


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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 01:02:35 pm »
 :iagree:, the only barrier is that they don't build cars people want, just like here

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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 01:34:07 pm »
:iagree:, the only barrier is that they don't build cars people want, just like here
Yes and I bet thats why none of the CAW guys will ever state publicly, such as on BNN for example( where they get interviewed quite often) , what specific barriers they are talking about.   Strange 'cos if there are REAL barriers, no matter how weird, it would strengthen their case enormously with the import buying public.

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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 01:48:00 pm »
Japanese and Korean companies have strived to build product specific to NA tastes. Once the Big Three build cars that cater to needs, say, in Japan, they'll sell there. Although, I don't see Kei cars appearing any time soon.
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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2008, 03:13:55 pm »
Agreed.

The CAW talk is BS and tiresome.
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Re: Auto import sales soaring
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 04:25:39 pm »
Whatever....

We bought our Civic in 2001. The Cavalier was not in the same league and was not in contention. WE hated the Focus and the Neon also was not remotely competitive. Fast forward to our recent purchase. We bought a 2007 Yaris Hatchback. No Chrysler or Ford in this segment. The only GM product was the Aveo which is also an imported car! The Yaris and Fit were clearly better based on my test drives.

So for us there were no competitive products in the segments we bought in when we bought these two cars. I am happily saving money on gas and repair bills and will continue to do so. I will consider domestic products when it comes time to buy again. The Saturn Astra would be a strong offering to test drive next time. If I were looking mid sized then the Malibu/Aura and the Ford Fusion would all get strong consideration.

Maybe the next Cobalt will be up at the top of the class. It could be if GM put the effort into it like they did with the Aura/Malibu.