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Lease buyout question/dilemma
« on: July 21, 2008, 07:29:42 pm »
I want to buy my car out as I can then sell it privately for more money...I want a C5 Vette!

Has anyone ever done this without registering with Provincial government and avoiding the PST?

I know I will have to pay dealership GST...I want to find a loophole to find another buyer and earn as much as I possibly can.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Lease buyout question/dilemma
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 09:09:43 am »
I'm not too sure what you mean by "loophole". 

The only one I can think of is "a sucker is born...."
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Re: Lease buyout question/dilemma
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 09:22:48 am »
I think I see what you mean.
If you buy the car out you'll pay PST and GST on the buyout. If you then sell it, the buyer will also pay both taxes. Quite right, it is two transactions.

What I believe does work  is at the end of a lease, you make an arrangement with the dealer that you turn the car in and you have another buyer for it so it spends zero time at the dealer. The buyer  pays the dealer the buyout price you would have paid and will have  to pay pst and gst of course but they get the car for the buyout price. Note  that they are buying from the dealer not from you.   Then they pay you an ex gratia payment, nothing to do with the car of course  ;) which would not attract taxes.


This only works if:    The real value is greater than the buyout AND the dealer really wants NOT to have the car on their lot nor do they want the hassle of sending it off to auction.
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Re: Lease buyout question/dilemma
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 11:27:03 am »
I'm basically looking to make money...

Buyout is $15000 and I can probably fetch about $19000 privately.

If I register it to me I'm out roughly $2000 (PST/GST) just so that I can make another $2000 selling it privately.

Thanks for the replies though....

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Re: Lease buyout question/dilemma
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 11:31:14 am »
TPL-is right,
Buy-out requires you to give a certified cheque including pst and gst on the outstanding amount, plus generally and adim fee for safety and emission test (if required). The car could be registered to the new owner directly, who will pay you an agreed price including taxes, thus avoiding double taxation.

The more complicate part is, in Ontario pst is a must, as is with most provinces, therefore new owner will be paying the pst anyways, unless agreed price is significantly lower, there may be an issue of adjusting who pays the difference, otherwise new owner benefits paying a lower pst amount. Whereas GST is different, since gst is only charged on dealer transactions only. This maybe an issue with the buyer and become part of the haggling process.

Personally, if I were the buyer, in my mind I would not want to pay the gst, because I would consider this deal to be a private deal, whereas purchases from a dealership, may honor some repairs that happen shortly after purchase and I consider GST as an insurance premium for the benefits derive from a dealer purchase.
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