Author Topic: Mazda / Ford Credit Lease Returns (Read 41510 times)

quadzilla · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:17:03 pm »

Quote from: Oz on July 01, 2008, 02:37:44 pm

Quote from: DockMan on June 30, 2008, 02:41:32 pm
Quote from: wing on June 30, 2008, 07:42:39 am
Mazda said they would bill me, I said, go ahead I'll never pay it. hahaha

My sentiments exactly....come get me.

Cant they get a collection agency after you and chase you down in that scenario?

I'm thinking yes they can and will. Its not like they don't have all your personal information.

DockMan · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:24:58 pm »

Quote from: quadzilla on July 01, 2008, 04:17:03 pm

Quote from: Oz on July 01, 2008, 02:37:44 pm
Quote from: DockMan on June 30, 2008, 02:41:32 pm
Quote from: wing on June 30, 2008, 07:42:39 am
Mazda said they would bill me, I said, go ahead I'll never pay it. hahaha

My sentiments exactly....come get me.

Cant they get a collection agency after you and chase you down in that scenario?

I'm thinking yes they can and will. Its not like they don't have all your personal information.

Simply write a nice letter to the credit agency stating your case and that you would welcome the opportunity to defend yourself in court should the matter be pressed further. Nobody hires a lawyer for $75.....and if the credit agency put a black mark on your credit rating you have the opportunity to write an explanation in the file. (ie: egregious charge by leasing return company not warranted and disputed by myself).

vdk · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:28:30 pm »

I really doubt they'll come after you. Too many resources wasted... and for what?

DockMan · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:35:16 pm »

Quote from: vdk on July 01, 2008, 04:28:30 pm

I really doubt they'll come after you. Too many resources wasted... and for what?

Exactly! Not to mention no one should pay that kind of garbage....teach them to have such a silly definition of "normal" wear and tear after, what is supposed to be, 40,000 km of use.

wing · « **Reply #24 on:** July 01, 2008, 06:44:43 pm »

Nobody goes after you for $75, it's not worth it.

tpl · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2008, 08:51:39 pm »

Except the government of course

DockMan · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2008, 08:55:42 pm »

Quote from: tpl on July 01, 2008, 08:51:39 pm

Except the government of course

true dat!

Giant Dwarf · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:20:50 pm »

Quote from: wing on July 01, 2008, 06:44:43 pm

Nobody goes after you for $75, it's not worth it.

Don't be so sure... Both Bell Canada and 407 ETR (toll highway) have sent collections agencies after my wife ... for THEIR billing errors -- and not vast amounts either. We only ever found out about the ETR's mess when we went for our new mortgage and it showed up on the credit check. Scathing correspondence was the immediate course of action on our part and it was quickly rectified.

DockMan · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:24:55 pm »

Quote from: Giant Dwarf on July 01, 2008, 09:20:50 pm

Quote from: wing on July 01, 2008, 06:44:43 pm
Nobody goes after you for $75, it's not worth it.

Don't be so sure... Both Bell Canada and 407 ETR (toll highway) have sent collections agencies after my wife ... for THEIR billing errors -- and not vast amounts either. We only ever found out about the ETR's mess when we went for our new mortgage and it showed up on the credit check. Scathing correspondence was the immediate course of action on our part and it was quickly rectified.

407 is a good as government don't pay or dispute and you simply can't renew your tags. Bell is well our lovely national monopoly and unfortunately we need them more than they need us.

quadzilla · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:30:24 pm »

The thing is they don't have to come after you, they can just put bad marks on your credit for failure to pay.Would it make a difference to most people, probably not but for some people it could.

Personally I don't understand why somebody wouldn't pay it? If you have an issue with the amount, take it up with the company. Not paying for it is irresponsible. Imagine if everybody did that for things they didn't think were right?

DockMan · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2008, 10:09:28 pm »

Quote from: quadzilla on July 01, 2008, 09:30:24 pm

The thing is they don't have to come after you, they can just put bad marks on your credit for failure to pay.Would it make a difference to most people, probably not but for some people it could.

Personally I don't understand why somebody wouldn't pay it? If you have an issue with the amount, take it up with the company. Not paying for it is irresponsible. Imagine if everybody did that for things they didn't think were right?

I can't imagine paying for things you don't think are right because you feel some company can bully you around.

quadzilla · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2008, 10:37:22 pm »

Quote from: DockMan on July 01, 2008, 10:09:28 pm

Quote from: quadzilla on July 01, 2008, 09:30:24 pm
The thing is they don't have to come after you, they can just put bad marks on your credit for failure to pay.Would it make a difference to most people, probably not but for some people it could.

Personally I don't understand why somebody wouldn't pay it? If you have an issue with the amount, take it up with the company. Not paying for it is irresponsible. Imagine if everybody did that for things they didn't think were right?

I can't imagine paying for things you don't think are right because you feel some company can bully you around.

That is why I said take it up with the company first. I don't see how the company is bullying you around though. A person signed a contract that says you will be charged for wear and tear. They send a person that does assessments just like they said they would.

But I'm sure you hear it all the time. Oh gee, why do I have to replace the tires, brakes, broken windscreen on this car, I only leased it.

I'm not saying that in Wing's situation the guy isn't being anal because I think he is (unless Wing is

)

I think my taxes are too high so maybe I shouldn't pay them either.

wing · « **Reply #32 on:** July 02, 2008, 07:51:07 am »

I will take it up with them, but I told them straight away, if you don't change your mind I won't pay.

Seriously if you saw this "nick" in the windshield you would be saying "Hey were is that nick the in windshield?" I pointed it out to a couple of people and they didn't see it until I pointed it out a couple of times and they got right up to it.

It is going back tonight, I'll just tell the dealer "I fixed it." Then they can sign off that the damage is fixed and all is well. If not then I have to bring it up with Mazda Credit over the phone.

I'm not too worried about it, I can't wait to see the guys face when I tow the car back rather than drive it back. The lease isn't even up until July 24th.

DockMan · « **Reply #33 on:** July 02, 2008, 08:21:45 am »

Quote from: quadzilla on July 01, 2008, 10:37:22 pm

That is why I said take it up with the company first. I don't see how the company is bullying you around though. A person signed a contract that says you will be charged for wear and tear. They send a person that does assessments just like they said they would.

Of course I would take it up with the company first. I don't think anyone (other than a con man) would go around and arbitrarily sign contracts with no intention of living up to them.

Par instance: Back in my Jet-Skiing days

****** Musical interlude *******
Ah my jet skiing days I remember them well. Sun, water, girlfriend on the back. Jumping wake....picnic lunches on secluded beaches. Trying (unsuccessfully) to outrun the St. Clair County Sheriffs Department. Those were the days.....
****** End Interlude *******

Anyhoo....I sold one of my jet-Ski's and trailer. 4 years later I get a large and unhappy notice from the 407etr that I am in arrears on my bill. I have a transponder and never use the 407 without. In fact I can prove that I was off the continent for some of the times that the 407 use occurred. Turns out someone was using the 407 with my trailer plates and I was responsible. I was the moron who sold the trailer and left the plates on. I paid, the fault lies clearly with me even though I didn't make those charges.

Why the long example. Just to let you know I'm not some dude who takes contesting a charge lightly. There really does have to be a substantial impetus behind the dispute. I think that it does look as if wing might be telling the truth......

wing · « **Reply #34 on:** July 02, 2008, 08:29:16 am »

I could pay the $75 and give every mazda and ford car a bad review from now on

haha

wing · « **Reply #35 on:** July 02, 2008, 09:10:30 pm »

More interesting information.

So I returned the car. The leasing manager says "I need to go verify the mileage" I say, it's exactly what is written on this evaluation form. He looks at me funny "How is that possible? You had to drive it here." I reply with, I towed it here -- you should have seen his face, totally baffled.

So he goes out and checks the mileage, so I ask him about the windshield, he can't find the "mark" so I point it out, he agrees it is nothing. But because I don't have a receipt, showing that I paid someone to fix it, it doesn't count. WHAT?

So here's another interesting bit of information -- they will come evaluate your car to ensure it is ok, but if you need to repair anything in advanced you must get it done by a shop with a receipt, you can't just fix it. Okay that is ridiculous!

So they say, they will bill me then they will ask collections to waive the fee.

articsteve · « **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2008, 10:14:30 pm »

vdk · « **Reply #37 on:** July 03, 2008, 12:29:50 pm »

You shouldn't have said anything... and play all dumb.. mark... what mark

there's no mark...

johngenx · « **Reply #38 on:** July 04, 2008, 06:26:45 pm »

I know lots of people that have had massive hassles returning their leased cars. It is not "free driving." You cannot turn a car back in with worn brakes, dead itres, cracked windscreen, etc. Then, they work hard to get you on the hook for everything so that they can just turn around and sell it. "Normal wear and tear?" What is that?

In James' case, they are being WAY too picky. Is the residual that high that it was to your benefit to give it back instead of selling it?

As for the leasing company actually using your dough to fix stuff, no way. A friend of mine in the car biz buys lease returns for resale, and he ALWAYS has to put brakes, tires, windscreen, etc. on them. The leasing company pockets the money and accepts a lower auction price. But, they often charge an outrageous amount for repairs, and I bet they come out ahead.

bobblehead · « **Reply #39 on:** July 09, 2008, 04:36:34 pm »

That must have been Autovin doing the inspectionj.
I just returned a Mazada3 with 44,508 on the odometer. That is half the kliks I was allowed. They are hitting me up for $450. I will go to court over this. They have been rude and tried to intimidate me.
You pay for a certain amount of wear and tear and their job is to extract more money for thye dealer. The dealer of course said he would eat it if I got another car from him. I refused and told him never again.
They tried to look at the car before my lease was up and I told them not until the lease was finished. I t5hyink that ticked them off but I paid for the use of the vehicle and would not take time out of my busy schedule to . When I got the letter I knew that this were going to be a brutal inspection. My car was in great shape except for 1 ding which you could hardly see. They were extremely rude and when I phoned Mazda I was funnelled right through to the Vincar rep who was the rudest of all of them. I took the car back on the due date and the dealer was closed and she sid how convenient.
I naver heard from them except to receive the bill. No call to ask if I wanted to see what was wrong. They offered to take #100 off and I told them to stick it but in a nice way
I had a somewhat similar problem with VW but I took the vehicle to another dealer and they couldn't do enough for me. I had 3 months left on the lease but had to trade eary because of the disels being discontinued for a couple years. The 1st dealer had a 3rd party inspection and I was afraid to drive the car after I got thye report. The 2nd dealer did an inhouse and said the car was in great condition and forgave 6000 extra KLMs and gave me 3 months cash back

This 3rd party inspection is a scary trend. The only reason the dealer does it is to recoup money. Why would they pay a 3rd party to do a job they could do ?