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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 06:13:32 pm »
I don't know what kind of MPG the 1.0L got, but my 2005 Echo hatch has got down to 4.7 L/100 KMs on highway. When doing mainly city, the worst I got was about 6.5 L/100 and I have near twice the horsepower the 1 litre engine had. I wonder what a light car with a very modern 3 cylinders would achieve...

Maybe my car's value will go up now ?  :)

I believe the new version of the Smart has a 3 cylinder Mitsusbishi-sourced engine that gets

City : 5.9 l/100 km
Highway : 4.8 l/100 km
Combined : 5.4 l/100 km

This is on premium gas though.

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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2008, 10:25:52 pm »
There is the law of dimishing returns when it comes to reducing fuel consumption.  The Corolla is a good sized car (bigger than the Accord and Camry of not that long ago) and consumes about 7.5L/100km in the city and 5.5L/100km on the highway.  The Smart has 800cc versus 1800cc in the Corolla, about half the length, but it's fuel consumption is not less than half.

As we narrow the field to the Civic/Corolla/Yaris/Fit and so on, the marginal gains become smaller.  However, every bit counts and I think the Smart is an amazing product as it combines excellent fuel economy with minimal materials (creating less energy consumed in the manufacturing and less landfill usage upon disposal) and shows that the microcar segment has potential.

I don't see why the majority of people think they need something that consumes more than 10L/100km.  The Accord and Camry are bigger than E-Class cars and not that much smaller than an S-Class.  In fact, an Accord is now about the same size as the late 80's S-Class cars, which looked HUGE then.

I noticed some people talking about how anything less than Accord-sized car can't be driven on the highway?  Huh?  I drove my 1976 Honda Civic across the country.  It was barely bigger than a Smart and had only 60hp.  That trip included the Alaska Highway fer cryin' out loud.

People cry the blues about gas prices, but there are TONS of economical choices that aren't terribly expensive to buy and offer room, luxury features (our CE Corolla has six airbags, ABS, cruise, power windows, keyless, IPOD connector, AC, AT, and so on) and are light years ahead of cars of not that long ago.  That 76 Civic I had was smaller than our current Corolla, had less than 1/2 the HP and stuggles to gt under 10L/100km on the highway.  Our Corolla won't consume that much in all city driving!!  The Corolla is safer than ANY car made just ten years ago and pollutes less too.

We do need people to abandon their SUV's and gas guzzlers, but they can still have reasonable cars that are safe and offer lots of amenities.
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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2008, 10:39:59 pm »
People cry the blues about gas prices, but there are TONS of economical choices that aren't terribly expensive to buy and offer room, luxury features (our CE Corolla has six airbags, ABS, cruise, power windows, keyless, IPOD connector, AC, AT, and so on) and are light years ahead of cars of not that long ago.  That 76 Civic I had was smaller than our current Corolla, had less than 1/2 the HP and stuggles to gt under 10L/100km on the highway.  Our Corolla won't consume that much in all city driving!!  The Corolla is safer than ANY car made just ten years ago and pollutes less too.

We do need people to abandon their SUV's and gas guzzlers, but they can still have reasonable cars that are safe and offer lots of amenities.

Good points but one thing I noticed is the lack of small wagons still. I know it will take time but my buddy has an 2001 (?) Esteem Wagon that has more room than anything except the Jetta Wagen (without going up a size class). Of course my 6-wgn has only about 6 more inches with the seats folded down, maybe 2-3 inches with the seats up than he does.

Fit, Matrix/Vibe (looks smaller than last year), Rabbit all have smallish trunks. Then great functional cars (CUVs) like the CRV, Forester and RAV all go and get bigger and bigger.

I have been thinking of replacing the 6-wgn next year but am having a hard time finding something besides a 2001 Esteem wagon.
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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2008, 10:45:23 pm »
Then great functional cars (CUVs) like the CRV, Forester and RAV all go and get bigger and bigger.

No kidding.  I can live with the new bigger Forester, but only if they offer it with a more economical driveline.  However, that would be the largest thing we'd ever own.

Can you imagine what a category killer the Forester would be with 6L/100km fuel economy?

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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2008, 10:57:06 pm »
No kidding.  I can live with the new bigger Forester, but only if they offer it with a more economical driveline.  However, that would be the largest thing we'd ever own.

Can you imagine what a category killer the Forester would be with 6L/100km fuel economy?

I actually dream about it every night. When it happens, I'll be first in line. I'm praying the make the next Mazda3 Sport with a much bigger trunk. The one now is embarrassing.

I don't think I'm asking for much. real world < 7L/100 hwy, trunk size => Forester, fold flat seats and roof rails all for under 30K.

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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2008, 11:48:18 pm »
I don't know what kind of MPG the 1.0L got, but my 2005 Echo hatch has got down to 4.7 L/100 KMs on highway. When doing mainly city, the worst I got was about 6.5 L/100 and I have near twice the horsepower the 1 litre engine had. I wonder what a light car with a very modern 3 cylinders would achieve...

Maybe my car's value will go up now ?  :)


I was looking at used Echo listings in Toronto last fall and I just had another look at the listings today. The asking prices have gone up already.
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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2008, 12:37:35 am »
There is the law of dimishing returns when it comes to reducing fuel consumption.  The Corolla is a good sized car (bigger than the Accord and Camry of not that long ago) and consumes about 7.5L/100km in the city and 5.5L/100km on the highway.  The Smart has 800cc versus 1800cc in the Corolla, about half the length, but it's fuel consumption is not less than half.

As we narrow the field to the Civic/Corolla/Yaris/Fit and so on, the marginal gains become smaller.  However, every bit counts and I think the Smart is an amazing product as it combines excellent fuel economy with minimal materials (creating less energy consumed in the manufacturing and less landfill usage upon disposal) and shows that the microcar segment has potential.

I don't see why the majority of people think they need something that consumes more than 10L/100km.  The Accord and Camry are bigger than E-Class cars and not that much smaller than an S-Class.  In fact, an Accord is now about the same size as the late 80's S-Class cars, which looked HUGE then.

I noticed some people talking about how anything less than Accord-sized car can't be driven on the highway?  Huh?  I drove my 1976 Honda Civic across the country.  It was barely bigger than a Smart and had only 60hp.  That trip included the Alaska Highway fer cryin' out loud.

People cry the blues about gas prices, but there are TONS of economical choices that aren't terribly expensive to buy and offer room, luxury features (our CE Corolla has six airbags, ABS, cruise, power windows, keyless, IPOD connector, AC, AT, and so on) and are light years ahead of cars of not that long ago.  That 76 Civic I had was smaller than our current Corolla, had less than 1/2 the HP and stuggles to gt under 10L/100km on the highway.  Our Corolla won't consume that much in all city driving!!  The Corolla is safer than ANY car made just ten years ago and pollutes less too.

We do need people to abandon their SUV's and gas guzzlers, but they can still have reasonable cars that are safe and offer lots of amenities.

Great points! I was kind of annoyed one day as I was picking up my wife in the Yaris and one of her patients made a comment about the car not being safe on the highway. >:(

Huh! Totally ignorant and clueless. ::) The car is safe and stable and fantastic on fuel. With its ABS, airbags and crumple zones it is probably safer than the boats we used to drive on bias ply tires!

The comment on the Corolla is so true. I have a neighbour with a beautiful black Camry SE (previous gen) and she was talking about selling it due to how much it costs in fuel! This is a 6 cylinder Camry! Not exactly a fuel sucking SUV or anything. The new Corolla might be the ultimate vehicle for size and fuel economy. While our Yaris beats it in the city the Corolla would be very close on the highway in fuel consumption. All while providing a comfortable driving experience loaded with amenities I would have only dreamed of in my youth.

Now, if only someone would bring in an awesome compact wagon at a decent price. As others have said the Esteem wagon was one of the last affordable wagons.

Another thing I would love to see if a nice hybrid minivan. Something with around a 2.4L 4 cylinder on the Atkinson cycle coupled with a electric motor.

Also, a Mazda 5/Kia ROndo with a 1.8L engine in a hybrid arrangement would be awesome as well. Either that or give us a clean running diesel mini/microvan! :)

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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2008, 10:33:31 am »
My sister-in-law can sell hers and make some good money!  She's been wanting to get rid of that car for some time now.
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Re: $7300 for an old Geo Metro?
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2008, 10:44:57 am »

Now, if only someone would bring in an awesome compact wagon at a decent price. As others have said the Esteem wagon was one of the last affordable wagons.


Depends what is meant by "a decent price", doesn't it?   ;)

As far as examples, I would point to the upcoming Elantra Touring and the new version of the Jetta Wagon.  Both cars are well positioned to succeed given Canadians' thirst for such cars.  Both cars should be available for well under $30,000.