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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2008, 06:40:59 pm »
This whole thing scares me.  I used to live in Windsor and know how important these jobs are for the community.

Buzz is missing (or ignoring) the whole trend of what's happening.  The UAW has seen the light and is taking advantage of the CAW and will be gaining jobs at the expense of the CAW in the future.

I feel sorry for the workers who will be displaced and will not be able to find jobs with comparable pay.  The CAW would have been smarter to agree to a two tired wage structure as in the US to smooth the transition to lower wages as workers retire.  The CAW has missed the boat on this and the UAW will profit.
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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2008, 07:59:49 pm »
I suspect that this was inevitable as soon as the Autopact disappeared.  There is no reason for the big three to keep production in Canada any more... its only the government "loans" and the fact that they would have to pay a small fortune to move all the tooling and stuff to the USA .   The "management" work force could be moved to the USA, those that they wanted to keep... which might not be very many.

So what they are doing seem to be: slowly moving, spreading the severance payments over a few years as products vanish from Canadian facilities. They may keep a token factory here for several years yet.

Lets not forget; they are AMERICAN companies and their first loyalty is to the USA.

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2008, 08:11:49 pm »
I thought their first loyalty was to $$$$$$.
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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2008, 08:49:50 pm »

Lets not forget; they are AMERICAN companies and their first loyalty is to the USA.



Which is why they are having engines built in China... ::)
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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2008, 09:50:04 pm »
Yep thats US$$$$$$$ and CHEAP engines built in China

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2008, 09:52:04 pm »
On the other hand loyalty to $$$$$$$ drives the capitalism that has resulted in us enjoying such a high standard of living....so.... conflicted. :P

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2008, 01:11:40 am »
The British auto industry has gone...the government finally became tired of propping it up. Why would it be any different here? The wage levels and retirement benefits have been out of whack for some time. It's a form of evolution taking place. Maybe public employees and their unions should also take note when they are in negotiations again.
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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 02:46:10 pm »
GM engines are also built in Canada,Mex and the US as well. The building of them is one design only which is in China. The Gov of Canada has sold out our auto industry by not having tariffs on vehicles which have been dumped here cheaper then they ever should have been. The Imported vehicles were not all that good when they 1st arrived here as well as some of them were just terrible quality. That went for the majority of the imports from all nations actually altho they have improved. I have owned imported cars and have had nothing but poor service from them even after I have installed North American engines in them which did help a lot. Rupert if you have never worked in the auro trade then I know you really don't have a clue as to why the wages and benefits were paid as they were, but I can assure you they were well in line for the work involved and the injuries caused by them as well. The big 3 are building extremely well built vehicles now but Canadians should be shopping at home a lot more I feel as too much import stuff is taking away the jobs in this Country and not just in the automotive trade even tho it directly or indirectly employs near 25% of the working population. Go ahead and keep buyin imports and see just how long you have a job to go to as it won't be long at all before we are nothing but a service industry  with 99% of our people being minimum wage workeers only with No benefits or hope of things ever changing either.  :(

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 06:57:48 pm »
I have not worked directly for the auto industry it is true but I have worked in companies supplying equipment to the same. Being at the end of the line, so to speak, we were driven to produce designs at a highly technical level with next to impossible time constraints. These designs were the equivalent of Green Field construction. In our case Blank Sheet. You would have thought that we would have been payed high bucks considering the level of scholorship and technical expertise involved...but no...and if there was a slow period we were layed off. Lay off for us was not ...sort of on half or 60% of pay...no it was 'nothing' or UIC...if another job could not be found. The great union never considered us and we could never be a part of it. We were a sub level of low life of no concern to the unionised prime industry. There are others who are involved here also...we have wives and children and elderly parents to care for, as do you possibly.
I wish that I could be angry about this but I am too drained now and too close to the wrong end of life, depending upon how you view it.
So, I will simply say that I am sorry that the industry is dissappearing. I feel pain for those who are loosing their jobs; I know how you feel, I have been there. Maybe you might give some thought to the fact that your great packages may, in some measure, have come at the expense of lesser auto industry providers who may just possibly, have either been inclined by less than favourable regard, or forced by financial circumstances, to buy transportation elsewhere. In the meantime I hope that laid off members will find alternative employment.
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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2008, 10:01:24 pm »
The Equinox and Torrent have a made in China engine, that's assembled in China and crated (aboard a ship) to the CAMI Ingersoll plant to be put in those vehicles. I've seen the reconciled orders and invoices at CHQ. In all fairness its not a bad engine even though its assembled in China with a lot of GM global sourced parts (i.e. parts from low cost countries). Problems so far are few and far between. Time will tell in regards to overall dependability.

The five speed transmission for this vehicle is a made in Japan JATCO or Aisin-Warner unit, also crated and fitted at CAMI Ingersoll.

Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Torrent

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2008, 01:33:54 am »
Rupert I do feel sorry for anyone in the automotive trade to-day as its a very tough go to make ends meet from all levels of it now. The Companies have been behind the push for getting the products at cheaper costs for years and not the workers who have virtually NO say in it at all. At least the majorty if the parts are being made in North America for the North American built vehicles from the Big 3 but I don't know the percentages from the Import companies at all. Some folks complain if GM makes one engine design in China but its OK if the next company makes all their parts there it seems or in a similar country for that matter. Folks keep buying the vehicles that have No Canadian content in them and then wonder why no-body can afford to buy much of anything as everybody is layed off with NO work at all. I will keep on supporting my friends and neaghbours if I can and buy North American made parts and vehicles that actually pay duty on them here. Won't bother me to be stuck with the Big 3 only to drive.  :)

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Re: Buzz loses another one: Final Windsor GM plant to close in 2010
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2008, 07:45:21 am »
I suspect that every company is sourcing abroad now...and that is not only the Auto ..assembly industry. I suspect also that current big three assembly is propped up by foreign sourcing of parts and complete units. Not to mention government financial inducement to locate here. Without this phenomina it might be that even the current level of North American production would not be possible. The price point to support the manufacturing costs would probably be too high for the aging fixed income demographic population..and stagnating unrelated wage levels in general.
Price point advertising has started to return now but for many years if you looked at the ads only financing packages were printed...the sticker prices may have been too daunting. One notices that price point ads are mainly, but not exclusively, the domain of foreign volume product and at the up-scale level where the price is only a number to the clientele. I wonder if manufacturing for the wealthy exclusively is a viable option.
In any case, IMO it seems that stress cracks are begining to appear in non-renewable supply structures, which will arrest the whole thing ultimately, if new sustainable concepts are not arrived at, by all involved.
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