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« on: December 18, 2003, 11:37:49 am »
 Visit www.fordlemon.com and have fun!

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2003, 01:52:39 pm »
 YIKES! Good luck!  Have you hired a lawyer?  Sounds like ford owes you some mega bucks!  Maybe they can provide a GT40?


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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2003, 02:33:30 pm »
Beautiful….just beautiful. One day the remnants of the Dumb 3 will wonder what the fook happened. Fook ‘em, that is why I drive Japanese.

There are three types or car companies…companies who make things happen, the ones who watch things happen, and the three who wonder what the fook is happening?
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2003, 07:10:08 am »
 There's a fourth one out there - the ones that cause things to happen - the Ladas of the world come to mind.

Honda was like that at first. When they came to Canada they started rusting with the first snowfall. Hyundai's famous Pony was another wonder, but the difference is they learned and changed.

And Change is good - but the jury is still out on the McNuggets!

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2003, 08:10:24 am »
 They should have changed BROCOLLI!

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 07:38:08 pm »
 I love the sign on the Taurus....too bad you can't drive it around town to show everybody and do some free advertising on how great Ford's are.

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2003, 10:52:12 pm »
The guy that runs this site is a nut. In his misguided bid for attention, he chose to send faxes continuously to some of the Ford dealers in the area. Keep in mind that this area is thousands of km's from where this person is located. A few well-placed calls to telephone company officials got the transmissions stopped. If the guy has a beef with Ford, fine, bombard them with faxes. To inconvenience businesses thousands of km's away is idiotic. No sympathy here.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2003, 11:05:15 pm »
 Mmmmm....once again, more than meets the eye!! As I read thru the fordlemon site, I was wondering about the guy's sanity. I ended up thinking, well, maybe so and maybe not. There is ALWAYS two sides to every story and the internet doesn't always provide for a balanced argument. I'm not saying this guy didn't possibly have trouble with his Taurus, but his level of paranoia is pretty high. Ain't the internet great!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2003, 02:23:54 pm »
Geee…Ovr50, you mean grow ups lie!

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2003, 01:07:37 am »
I think I would have sold the damn car after it was spray cleaned, his concern with telling other folks about the problem is admirable but Ford knew for at least 3 years then and didn't say a word to the next folks. I wonder how many other websites have car or truck complaints regarding every make and model sold. I'm sure it is not just Ford, but all of them.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2003, 11:22:43 am »
The problem I see is that it is only one car. And there are a lot of Tauruses strolling around. I don't think Ford is going to alert and publicize with consumers because of one unhappy driver. But maybe we can help in our way.
Here's another complaint page about a Ford Focus.  
It is in french: http://www.mafordfocus.com/

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2003, 12:58:34 pm »
I reade the entire Fordlemon site and it does appear to have a re-call or problem bulletin on this topic from Ford. They would not have a list for only 1 car especially that covers 3 years without there being a valid large reason. Perhaps someone from Ford could clarrify this issue for us. There are Ford people on this forumn who probably know something about it. I believe they might be able to shed some light on this topic.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2003, 01:56:07 pm »
I am starting to wonder how big a problem this is as I was given a large box of aersol cans last night from my Son-in-law who is moving shortly to Portland Oregon. Included is a can of vent sterilizer for air-conditioned cars. He drives a Jeep CJ and my daughter has a Intrepid, both with air. Moving Companies will not transport anything in Aersol cans in your moving now-a-days so you leave all that stuff be-hind. I have never seen this kind of product before.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2003, 05:44:47 pm »
Hey Barrie,

Do you know if that stuff works?  If so, where can you get stuff like that?  

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2003, 12:43:23 am »
I have never seen it before and never used it, so I will find out about it and get back to you on that pretty quick. I am very curious myself.

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2003, 07:58:15 am »
You Vreeks vont a vent sterilizer..1 puff an' yer nuts are the size of a lentil..o.k ladies...
sorta works LIKE'A LYSOL SPRAY!!!....A REAL MAN would have a Va..va..va.voomectomy..just one snip..oohhh..baby..just ONE SNIP? getta me outa here ya said it was an aftermarket audio/car store dear..........!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2003, 03:12:05 pm »
This is a 300g can made by Wynn's company. They have named it FRESH AIR and stste that is a Air conditioning and Heating System Odour Treatment. You run your engine and set your controls to Hi and fresh air intake. Inject thru your outside air intakes if possible and Open all windows. It has 2 of the 3 Hazard warnings so you don"t want to breath it even. The odour is somewhat Lemon like. I imagine you can buy it at Crappy tire or other fine parts stores. Hope this helps.

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2003, 06:53:30 pm »
Well, I am not normally one to dump my problem on someone else, but this is my take:

1. Since there are not hordes of people dropping from driving their Tauri (Tauruses?) I think the individual is simply more sensitive to the "bugs" that the car "grows."

2. Clean the car and "de-bug" the HVAC system, and SELL it fast.

3. Tear the web site down in case some potential buyer finds it.

Chalk it up as an experience, promise to never buy another Ford product (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...) and move on with your life.

In order to dump the car, I'd consider trading it.  Go buy a Toyota or Honda, and the dealer'll rape you, but it's better than letting the car sit undriven depreciating year after year.

This chap is in the trees and needs to gain some altitude and see the forest as a whole.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2004, 12:49:28 pm »
I have a concern that I need to communicate to you along with a request regarding my 1997 Windstar van.  

For some background, these events all started almost 1 year ago.  I was at the dealer in response to a recall regarding the front coil springs when the dealer informed me that they had noticed some external seepage starting from the engine front-end gaskets.  At this point the vehicle had about 150,000 km on it.  Due to the sensitivity of this area (coolant/oil) I had the gaskets changed within a week.  At the time of the change it appeared that they had been changed in time however about 5 months later my mechanic (non-Ford) informed me that he was starting to hear some knocking leading him to think that perhaps there had been some leakage past the gasket.  At that time he predicted that I would have to change the engine within 1 year.

I know that Ford had problems with engine gaskets failing on the 3.8 litre engines in 95-96 and some into 97 model years before corrective action was made.  As I investigated my situation it was clear that this has been an extensive problem for Ford.  Technical service bulletins #98-7-4 (Apr 98) concerns new gasket sealant, #99-20-7 (Oct 99) concerns engine coolant loss/oil contamination, and these were followed by several other bulletins relating to coolant and oil recommendations.  When I purchased the Windstar consumer reports ratings were high but unfortunately as these vehicles started to age the amount of issues that surfaced have moved the ratings to below average.

Anyway, after learning this I contacted the Ford customer care centre and had a file started explaining all of the above events & information.  The customer care representative said that I needed to take the vehicle to a Ford dealer to get a confirmation of the knocking observed by my mechanic.  In early spring this year I took the Windstar to the who did not report hearing a knocking (did not confirm the sound).  Based on the dealer findings I did not pursue assistance at that time but waited to see how things would go.  As a side note, I was disturbed by the customer care representative’s attitude that at almost 5 years old and 150,000 km the vehicle’s life is almost over – I don’t know anyone purchasing a vehicle who’s expectations are this low.  With technology that is available today there is no reason why a maintained vehicle cannot reach 250,000 to 300,000 km.

The knocking sound gradually increased and I had noticed that the oil light was starting to flicker at idle when loaded (transmission in gear with air conditioning on).  I had the van into my mechanic to get the sway bar replaced and was informed that the bottom end bearings were getting very noisy and engine failure was not far away.  Based on my previous experience with the customer care line I just took the vehicle back to the Ford dealer and asked for their assessment.  The ford dealer confirmed that the engine bearings were going and the engine needed replacement quoting a cost of $5,100.  At this point the vehicle now has 168,300 km.

I am a Quality Supervisor at a major international OEM automotive parts manufacturer and as a result keep myself aware of events in the automotive sector.  Also, due to my position I am involved in manufacturing Quality and participate in warranty/field claim investigations.  My customers have expectations, as do I on the performance and service life of major vehicle systems.

We have enjoyed driving our Windstar but are completely frustrated by the amount of engine problems we have experienced.  This vehicle has been well maintained and I have kept up with all needed repairs that just add to the frustration.  Over the past year I have spent approximately $2,500 on engine related concerns (front end gaskets, variety of sensors, water pump, etc.) in an effort to achieve maximum life.  I have owned several vehicles that I have driven to the 200,000 – 300,000 km range and have never had to do any major engine work, in fact I have never had to replace an engine before.  This added another $5000+ to the total.

I feel strongly that the failure of my engine was a direct result of premature gasket failure that allowed coolant to seep into the oil.  The warranty had expired but based on the established gasket issue with the 3.8 litre engine I requested that Ford as a gesture of good faith provide financial assistance to cover a portion of the replacement cost for the engine, they of course declined.  As a matter of fact they stopped responding to me all together on this issue.

The complete lack of attention to customer service and taking responsibility for design faults has made my experience with Ford so negative that I would never purchase another Ford and have on many occasions discouraged my friends and Associates from buying a Ford.

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2004, 01:25:25 pm »
Welcome to the Forum Mongoose, I am Sorry to hear of your problems and Yes the anti-freeze will definitely destroy the main Bearings on any engine. Its very unfortunate that Ford of Canada is treating people this way as it is the Worst possible way of keeping a Customer. When Ford can't give their Cars away maybe then they will figure out that they have Shafted too many people. It will be too late then. I would be contacting the Big Cheese of Ford Canada and giving him the Facts and the reason why you will Never buy their product again.