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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2008, 07:29:48 am »
In the VW Passat Wagon TDI I get about 6.9-7.2 l/100km in mostly city driving.  Did a round trip to Toronto last weekend from Ottawa and achieved 5.4 l/100km at an average speed of 117 kph.  This car rocks on the highway.

Sometimes wish I had bought one. Damn them for not offering a stick!

The '06 Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4X4 Hemi 5AT is averaging between 16.5 - 18L/100K 80% suburban city (free flowing traffic). In the dead of winter was more like 18.5 - 19L. My commute is about 7 minutes, so that has to be taken into account. On the highway can get down to 11-12L between 100-105km/h. Partner had 2 Dakotas with smaller engines prior to this, and believes both were worse.


 :o, is there a load in the truck?
the best I get on hwy is about 17

"VW Passat Wagon TDI I get about 6.9-7.2 l/100km in mostly city driving" wish they were coming out with another Passat TDI

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2008, 07:41:07 am »
Its not the "coming out with one" AirB   it is the selling the one they already make in Canada is the problem.

IMO the management at VW seem to be getting worse every year.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2008, 07:47:34 am »
Its not the "coming out with one" AirB   it is the selling the one they already make in Canada is the problem.

IMO the management at VW seem to be getting worse every year.
I know, that why I said I wish they would
They would have spend a lot of cash to get the TDI ready for NA, you would think they flood market the engine

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2008, 04:34:57 am »
I get about 7.5 - 8.0 L/100 km on my Mini S, 90% hwy. But the bad part about it, it needs premium. That's $65 a fill up.  :-\

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2008, 06:02:55 am »
Its not the "coming out with one" AirB   it is the selling the one they already make in Canada is the problem.

IMO the management at VW seem to be getting worse every year.
I know, that why I said I wish they would
They would have spend a lot of cash to get the TDI ready for NA, you would think they flood market the engine
I disagree about the money. They have the "new" clean engine  that is going in the Jetta and that is powerful enough to propel a Passat and I betcha could be made to fit longitudinally... it would not surprise me if the longitudinal fitting mounts are on that block already.   There is a bigger "clean diesel" that is going into Audis.    Willingness on VWs part I suggest is 100% of the problem

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2008, 10:01:36 am »
Just came back from a trip at the southern edge of Northern Ontario.

Averaged just a bit below 7.5L/100km. City driving is just shy of 10.5L/100km.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2008, 10:19:31 am »
I just took the P5 to Brampton and back.  Total highway consumption was ~7.5 L/100 km.  I did 120-130 through the GTA and then ~100-105 on Hwy 7.
 
The trip there used ~8 L/100 and the trip home was ~7. 

In city driving it will use ~8.5 L/100 km.  Definitely not as efficient as a modern 130 hp 4cyl should be.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2008, 10:24:35 am »
The Fit  gets between  37mpg (lowest ever seen on a sing;le tank of gas) and 44.5 mpg ( highest ever seen) depending on usage. The low number was  2 weeks of cold weather and just running errands around G. The high was last fall mostly highway with 4 up most of the time and the AC off.  This is from actual fillups  90% at the same gas station/same pump to the first click.  Thats IMPERIAL gallons.
Is yours an automatic?  Ours is an '07 LX, manual 5sp.  It's the wife's daily driver.  She averages about 45 mpg in the city and on one stretch of desolate northern Canada highway, she got 55 mpg on that one tank.  As with you, this is in Imp. Gal.  This whole L/100Km means means very little to me.  I come from a time when my '67 Mustang GT got 6 mpg.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2008, 10:48:43 am »
Got new numbers after a trip this weekend, over 500km or so.

- The highway at 115-120kph: ~9L/100km
(As an aside, I think it's possible get a bit of draft from a safe distance.  There seems to be less wind when following other cars.)

- The track at 60-150kph: ~27L/100km  ;D
(It's most likely more than this... somewhere around 30... that's not bad!)

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2008, 11:02:08 am »
Mostly highway, 120 kph, summer:

2004 Honda Accord Coupe V6 6 speed regular gas - 8.6 L/100 km (32.84 MPG Imperial)

2006 Jetta 2.0 turbo DSG premium gas - 8.42 L/100 km (33.53 MPG Imperial)

Happy with the numbers from both.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2008, 11:04:21 am »
Got new numbers after a trip this weekend, over 500km or so.

- The highway at 115-120kph: ~9L/100km
This is in your Miata?  Your fuel usage converts to 31.39 mpg (Imp.).

By comparison, on a similar highway trip of 500 km, supercharged S2000 ......................... 35.9 mpg.
When it was NA, same trip ............................................................................................. 39.9 mpg.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2008, 12:27:27 pm »
This is in your Miata?  Your fuel usage converts to 31.39 mpg (Imp.).

By comparison, on a similar highway trip of 500 km, supercharged S2000 ......................... 35.9 mpg.
When it was NA, same trip ............................................................................................. 39.9 mpg.
Yeap.  The poor mileage is probably a combination of short gearing, bad aero, and non-modern engine.  For example, at 120kph the engine is revving at 3500rpm, Cd is like .36 or something, and 140hp from a premium gas drinking 1.8L is quite pitiful indeed.   :-\

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2008, 08:09:39 pm »
Just came back from a trip at the southern edge of Northern Ontario.

Averaged just a bit below 7.5L/100km. City driving is just shy of 10.5L/100km.

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How far north did you make it?

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2008, 08:20:19 pm »
Just came back from a trip at the southern edge of Northern Ontario.

Averaged just a bit below 7.5L/100km. City driving is just shy of 10.5L/100km.

2007 Toyota Camry LE 4-cyl. (Magnetic Grey  ;D )

How far north did you make it?

Just south of French River, close to Grundy Lake Park. Then for the hell of it crossed French River to make sure I can talk about being to the North.  ;D Some of the gravel roads were fun.


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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2008, 08:55:04 am »
Had to fill both cars last night.  Took the Subaru climbing on the weekend as we needed the cargo space.  Three people, gear piled floor-ceiling and on the back seat and by sticking to the speed limit, we got 8.0L/100km for the trip.

Then there is the Toyota, all city commuter driving, stop and go: 7.4L/100km for the last tank.
No place I'd rather be...

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2008, 11:30:58 pm »
Had to fill both cars last night.  Took the Subaru climbing on the weekend as we needed the cargo space.  Three people, gear piled floor-ceiling and on the back seat and by sticking to the speed limit, we got 8.0L/100km for the trip.

Then there is the Toyota, all city commuter driving, stop and go: 7.4L/100km for the last tank.

Impressive. The dakota got some more "freeway" work and I have moved the average for the tank down to 16.8L/100km. :)

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2008, 11:52:21 pm »
Impressive. The dakota got some more "freeway" work and I have moved the average for the tank down to 16.8L/100km. :)

That's only slightly better than the Toyota and Subaru get COMBINED in city driving.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2008, 06:32:20 am »
2007 Ford Focus wagon 1.6L Ti-VCT 5 spd manual tranny
Hwy-5L/100km (56mpg) Imperial
City-7.8L/100km (36mpg)Imperial
Combined 6.4L/100km (44mpg) Imperial

Fuel cost here at the moment is (in CAD$)$1.68 litre for 95octane (lowest grade available here)

Car has 16,000km . Climate control is always on.

Longest hwy cruise was Tallinn to Riga (308km) was getting 4.6L/100km (61mpg), on cruise control @ speeds of 110kph
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2008, 08:31:53 am »
I find liters/100km to be an extreemly awkward measure. If you have to exist with metric why not km/liter.

To convert to good old MPG(Canadian) divide 283 by the liters/100km.

To convert to good old MPG(US) divide 236 by liters/100km. The US gallon being .8345xCangallon.

I think that the US milage ratings have fairly recently been modified to more accurately reflect on the road experience. It seems that no one was getting the Monroney Sticker posted ratings before. I have not heard that the Canadian rating system has been similarly modified so conversion between the two Monroney Stickers (US/Canadian) may not be possible except by multiplying the Canadian rating by about .8 or so.

If in fact the Canadian rating is still the unchanged, I think a strong tailwind would have to be involved to achieve results close to the rating. Also elevation of departure and arrival is important. If you know that your trip is significantly down hill overall, fill up with gas. The extra dissipation of potential energy will help.The reverse of this applies on the return trip. (use half fills if convenient)
The only measure of gas consumption is,fill up to fill up, versus distance travelled. Even here consistancy in pumping  pad slope can have a significant affect. A pad sloping down away from the pump will allow for more gas to be pumped in before the click. (How accurate pump clicks are is unknown from pump to pump)

All in all, the sticker rating is only a measure of gas consumption from car to car. Obtained under constant conditions to be a guide only for consumers. Accounting for driving habits is not possible.



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Here's a consolidation (a few previously posted) of various web site calculators to do conversions, plus Cdn. and U.S. sites for ratings by car, and the Cdn. fee/rebate chart:

http://www.tdiclub.com/misc/conversions.html

http://www.pege.org/fuel/convert.htm

http://opentoronto.com/calculators/converter_mpg_to_l_per_100km.php

http://www.onyrix.com/ecology/how-to-convert-mpg-miles-gallon-km-litre-litres

http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/fuel_economy.php

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/compare/compare-search-one.cfm?attr=8

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

And the chart for fuel efficiency rebates and fees by fuel rating. I don't know if this is up to date, and (a sad commentary) gave up searching government sites!

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51573.0;attach=21208;image