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BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« on: March 16, 2008, 08:52:06 am »
 Long article from the UK Sunday Times. In a nutshell, the BMW used less fuel but comments in the article show that had the BMW an Automatic it would have just lost.   Also a point made that the Prius is much better in urban/suburban driving that most people ( in the UK) do.



The Prius, like the iPod, is more than a piece of clever technology. It symbolises something bigger – a responsible attitude, a healthier way of living. Toyota has sold more than a million examples of the car since launching it in 1997 and it has attracted a worldwide following led by Leonardo DiCaprio, Cameron Diaz and much of the rest of Hollywood.

It’s classified by the American government as the “most fuel-efficient car sold in the US” and this seal of official approval is reflected in a special status that the Prius and other hybrids enjoy over conventionally powered cars.

For example, you can drive a Prius in American “high occupancy vehicle lanes” – designed for vehicles carrying passengers – even if there’s nobody else in the car. In Britain the Prius has had a similar boost. You can enter the central London congestion zone without paying the usual £8-a-day charge. For road tax purposes it’s classed as an “alternative fuel vehicle” so you pay less tax than you would for a conventional car that produces the same emissions. Road tax is just £15 a year and in last Wednesday’s budget, Alistair Darling, the chancellor, renewed his commitment to preferential treatment for hybrids. Plus, if you drive a Prius as a company car it enjoys a 3% discount (until April) compared with the tax on other cars producing identical amounts of carbon dioxide.

But are transport and tax planners – here and in the US – being fair to the people who drive conventional cars? The official fuel consumption figure for the Prius – supplied by Toyota itself – is 65.7mpg in mixed motoring. That’s a claim not supported by many of the letter writers to The Sunday Times who say they get nearer to 50mpg. If our readers are right and the official figure is wrong it has important implications, not least of which is that people driving frugal diesels are getting a raw deal.

To find out we set a challenge: to drive a Prius to Geneva using motorways and town driving. The direct route is 460 miles but we drove almost 100 miles further to give the Prius the advantage of running in urban conditions where its petrol-electric drivetrain comes into its own.

We took along a conventionally powered car – a diesel BMW executive saloon – for comparison and drove both cars an identical number of miles (545).

BMW 520d: driven by Nicholas Rufford

The BMW doesn’t have the external look of a green car and you don’t get the same self-righteous glow when you are driving it. There’s no hybrid badge on the back; in fact, because it’s the entry level car of the 5-series many buyers opt for “badge delete” so they don’t show other motorists they went for the cheapest option at £27,190.

But it does have a few tricks up its sleeve to conserve fuel. Efficient Dynamics, as BMW refers to its fuel-saving technology, is a term coined by Bavarian marketing men for refinements that taken on their own are nothing spectacular but together improve fuel economy. Rather than Toyota’s big idea – a radically different system of powering a car using a petrol-electric drivetrain – BMW has sunk its research effort into lots of less radical things.

The most important of these is the new four-cylinder engine. It’s available in the 3-series but here it’s perfectly at home in the bigger 5-series saloon where it generates a surprising 177bhp. Surprising because it’s only 1995cc and it sips fuel. Combined fuel consumption is – officially – 55.4mpg and emissions are 136g/km, which puts it into tax band C. That’s respectable for its size, especially when you consider that 13 cabinet ministers are driven in cars with tax band F – the second highest bracket – and one, we don’t know who, has a band G car.

Various other features of the new BMW contribute to its frugality. It’s got better aerodynamics to reduce drag; low rolling resistance tyres; and a dashboard gauge that gives you a continuous fuel consumption readout so you know when to change gear.

So how does it drive? Well, much like any other executive saloon, actually. Its six-speed manual transmission needs quite a lot of work but if you are concerned about fuel economy then it’s a small price to pay for the extra 5mpg that it gains over the automatic version.

The 520d is not startlingly quick, but it will reach 62mph in 8.3sec. As for the claimed top speed of 144mph, I didn’t get the chance to test it to its limit but I think it would have struggled to reach that. Nonetheless, it cruised happily at the French autoroute limit (dry conditions) of 78mph towards the champagne region.

As I did so, I noted with slight satisfaction that Jason was having difficulty keeping up, so I cut my speed. Had I been really serious about saving fuel I could have also switched off the air-conditioning and the stereo but I was more concerned about making this a real-world test.

Stuck in rush-hour traffic in Reims, fuel consumption dropped to an average of about 40mpg – still not bad when you consider the size of the car. BMW has fitted a diesel particulate filter, enabling the car to meet ever more stringent European Union limits on emissions. Another feature designed to cut running costs is the brake regenerative system – similar to that in the Prius – which recovers energy from braking to recharge the battery and help power the electrical systems. To what extent this is a genuinely eco-friendly feature and how much a conscience salver is impossible to tell when you’re driving.

But you can’t argue with the end result. Approaching Switzerland I felt confident of beating Jason. The computer was telling me that, for the journey as a whole, I had averaged more than 50mpg. The test had taken us along just over 200 miles of autoroute, about 200 miles of B roads, including winding ascents and descents in Switzerland, and 100 miles of urban driving.

Before we set off, Jason and I filled our tanks to the brim. At the end of the journey, at a filling station in Geneva, we filled them again to find out how much fuel we’d used. The BMW had done the journey on 49 litres (just over two-thirds of a 70-litre tank). Jason had . . . well, I’ll let him tell his own story.

Toyota Prius: driven by Jason Dawe

The Prius is not a car you can easily get excited about, at least on a purely visual basis. But this test was not about kerb appeal, it was about pump avoidance. The Prius was designed with a straightforward goal in mind – to create a five-seat family hatchback that was as good on fuel as a 2+2 supermini. Straightforward aims are often notoriously difficult to achieve.

Toyota’s big idea was to use hybrid power. In other words, two forms of propulsion. The bulk of that power comes from a 1.5 litre petrol engine producing just 77bhp. That kind of power may be able to keep the Prius cruising along but is hardly enough to ensure decent acceleration. So added to that comes a battery-powered electric motor generating the equivalent of a further 67bhp and a thumping great 295 lb ft of torque.

There’s no need to plug the Prius into an electric socket to keep the batteries topped up as this is done every time the car brakes, and there is trickle charging by the petrol engine while driving normally. The result of lumping together these two sources of power is a car that can reach 62mph from standstill in less than 11sec and reach 106mph flat out, hardly dragstrip quick and slower than the BMW, but still respectable.

Toyota was obsessive about saving weight in the Prius; at just 2,921lb it is 573lb lighter than the BMW 520d, surely a factor that will pay dividends at the pumps.

Clever power and a light kerb weight stand the Prius in good stead but it’s the car’s incredibly low drag coefficient that may just tip the scales in my favour when it comes to long motorway stretches at higher speeds. As slippery as a campaign manager discussing political donations, the Prius should take less energy than the BMW to maintain a constant cruising speed.

No sooner had we left the offices of The Sunday Times in London than my eyes locked limpet-like on the trip computer readout that tells you how many mpg you are achieving. This was to become my obsession over the next 545 miles as I battled to nudge the Prius into performing somewhere close to Toyota’s claim of 65mpg-plus motoring.

By the time we reached the Channel tunnel the display revealed that I had averaged 55mpg. Hopefully things would improve on the long, uninterrupted roads in France. They didn’t – despite the fact that I didn’t use the air-conditioning and avoided turning on the stereo in an effort to conserve power.

To break the boredom of constantly looking at the trip computer I pressed the throttle into the carpet for a few seconds, but seeing the fuel consumption suddenly dip to less than 10mpg I backed off. When we stopped in Reims neither Nick nor I was willing to declare our average fuel economy figures. I interpreted his reticence as a sign of my upcoming victory.

The next day it became clear my Prius did not like motorways, at least not at 75mph into a headwind. My trip meter informed me I was now averaging about 45mpg; the Prius was not going to make it to Geneva on just one tank.

I took the precaution of buying a 10-litre can and filling it with petrol. Sure enough, the dashboard soon informed me the fuel tank was empty, the petrol engine stopped and for two surreal miles I coasted along on battery power. Only when I approached a long steep uphill stretch did I finally drift to a halt. As I filled the tank I consoled myself with my last chocolate bar.

Coasting down the mountain into Geneva my Prius averaged 99.9mpg for a full 10 minutes. It was the highlight of my journey and improved my overall average fuel economy by a full 2mpg. But it was not enough. For all my defensive driving, slippery bodywork and hybrid technology, my average fuel consumption was 48.1mpg. I’d lost to a Beemer and I was disappointed; I had never driven so slowly or carefully for so long in my life. I’m considering buying a V8 Range Rover and opening my own oil well in protest.

Vital Statistics

Model BMW 520d SE
Engine 1995cc, four cylinders
Power 177bhp @ 4000rpm
Torque 258 lb ft @ 1750rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Official fuel/CO2 55.4mpg / 136g/km
Performance 0-62mph: 8.3sec
Top speed 144mph
Road tax band C (£115)
Price £27,190
Fuel used on test 10.84 gallons (50.3mpg)
Fuel cost £54.19 (diesel)
Model Toyota Prius T Spirit
Engine 1497cc, four cylinders
Electric motor 50kW/67bhp
Power 77bhp @ 5000rpm
Torque 295 lb ft (motor) 85 lb ft (engine)
Transmission CVT automatic
Official fuel/CO2 65.7mpg / 104g/km
Performance 0-62mph: 10.9sec
Top speed 106mph
Road tax band B (£15, alternative fuel)
Price £20,677
Fuel used on test 11.34 gallons (48.1mpg)
Fuel cost £54.64 (petrol)
« Last Edit: March 16, 2008, 08:54:27 am by tpl »
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 09:34:48 am »
Does it show that a diesel is cleaner then the gas ?
BMW Official fuel/CO2 55.4mpg / 136g/km
Toyota  Official fuel/CO2 65.7mpg / 104g/km
Is the main purpose of hybrids, and E85 is a clean way to drive.
I was talking with Son In Law, a SA for Honda, he said that there know of only 8 Civic Hydrids out of there dealership
I still think most people think the batteries will be charge if you run down the hiway ( I am wrong here)
Where I live, I believe I would rather have a diesel then a hybrid

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 09:38:58 am »
Very interesting...it would seem to support the idea that hybrids are great for urban drivers but for much of North America where we are spread out and think nothing of commuting 30/40/50 kms on highspeed divided highways low emission diesels burning low sulpher fuels are at least a viable alternative.
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 09:40:57 am »
That particular diesel is not a Bluetec type so it is probably as clean as a 2006 Jetta TDI.   IMO  clean enough.

Note that it is  2 l vs 1.5 l   and does 50% more Co2  so its not too bad compared to the Prius.


E85 maybe is cleaner  but you use 35% more of it than you do gasoline and, at the moment, AirB its a long trip for you to fill up! You should come visit me on the way  :D

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 09:48:52 am »
And let's not forget the other downside to E85 as producers switch to corn and wheat prices rise.

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 09:54:16 am »
Testing the Prius against a 5-series seems like an odd choice to me - wouldn't a diesel 3-series have been a more realistic competitor to the Toyota?

Anyway, interesting to see that in spite of being heavier and bigger, the BMW came out on top - and that was with the AC on, and it doesn't sound as though the Bimmer driver was driving as anally as the guy in the Prius.  :thumbup: for the BMW - now bring it over here!

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2008, 11:27:22 am »
Testing the Prius against a 5-series seems like an odd choice to me - wouldn't a diesel 3-series have been a more realistic competitor to the Toyota?

I think the 3 might be a bit smaller..not sure though.

In any case, I'd really like to see a 320d here.
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 12:38:12 pm »
How 'bout a diesel Prius?
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2008, 01:09:52 pm »
I don't care who ultimately "won"--the fact that a 520d or 320d can get in the same ballpark as the Prius is good enough for me.  Especially because 1/2 of my driving is highway, 1/4 is twisty country roads, and only 1/4 is stop-and-go city stuff.  In that environment, a 320d would be a far more satisfying car to drive.

Bring it, BMW!  And for the hell of it, let's make sure I don't void the warranty by using more than 5% biodiesel blend.
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2008, 01:11:13 pm »
How 'bout a diesel Prius?

Diesels have a significant premium over normal gas cars.  Hybrids have a significant premium over normal gas cars.  Your diesel Prius would be one expensive car...maybe a good choice for upper-middle-class environmentalists, but not those looking at diesels or hybrids out of concerns for the cost of fuel.

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 02:05:21 pm »
mpg... 50.3 vs 48.1: Are we comparing apples to apples?  Diesel is packed with more (about 15%) energy per volume than petrol. So, energy-wise Prius used less energy in this comparison.

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 02:12:14 pm »
mpg... 50.3 vs 48.1: Are we comparing apples to apples?  Diesel is packed with more (about 15%) energy per volume than petrol. So, energy-wise Prius used less energy in this comparison.
Thats ok... its less of a car as well.  ;)

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 02:23:48 pm »
mpg... 50.3 vs 48.1: Are we comparing apples to apples?  Diesel is packed with more (about 15%) energy per volume than petrol. So, energy-wise Prius used less energy in this comparison.

While that might be academically interesting, don't we have to think about how much energy is expended in actually generating one litre of diesel vs. one litre of 87? As well as how much of each you get out of an average barrel of crude.

Taking it to an extreme example if I had a car that ran on carrots, but totally disintegrated the carrot in a matter-energy conversion, it probably very well uses more energy per km but who cares? Its just carrots.
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 02:43:10 pm »
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Diesels have a significant premium over normal gas cars.  Hybrids have a significant premium over normal gas cars.  Your diesel Prius would be one expensive car...maybe a good choice for upper-middle-class environmentalists, but not those looking at diesels or hybrids out of concerns for the cost of fuel.

My comparison is between a hybrid Prius without incentives and a diesel one. To meet the hybrid's performance, a small capacity diesel might suffice, thereby being cheaper while consuming less gas.

Ultimately, we're going to need to save gas and pay for technology, hybrid or diesel. To me the better option seems a small diesel than a hybrid, considering a lot of driving in NA is on highways. Also, which powertrain would be more environmentally friendly in terms of construction and recycling?

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2008, 02:57:44 pm »
Taking it to an extreme example if I had a car that ran on carrots, but totally disintegrated the carrot in a matter-energy conversion, it probably very well uses more energy per km but who cares? Its just carrots.

Tool would care.

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2008, 07:12:22 pm »
Serniter wrote: To me the better option seems a small diesel than a hybrid…

Surprised to hear the above statement from someone living in the state where, according to Jay Leno, the air is tinted with the hue of yellow along the I-95.  Although CO2 emission of diesel engine is less per km because of its higher thermal efficiency, its NOX, HC and soot emissions are much more than the gas counterpart because of the very nature of diesel combustion, which swings widely from very lean (NOX) to very rich (HC and soot).  It is very difficult, if not impossible, to clean the diesel exhaust to meet the new U.S. emission standard. In comparison, to-day’s gas engine maintains stoichiometric combustion throughout its load range and its exhaust is much easier to clean.

Reduction in CO2 emission is indeed important from the standpoint of the global warming, but NOX, HC and soot are more directly harmful to our health to-day.  Because of the difficulty of cleaning them up European automakers are rather tentative bringing their diesel models to NA. (Remember VW’s diesel Touareg was judged as the most offending recently. http://greenercars.org/highlights_meanest.htm)

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2008, 07:31:26 pm »
That was not a Blue Tec engine
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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2008, 07:47:53 pm »
Would the BMW have won if it had an automatic tranny? I know the VW Tdi  Automatics don't get near the mileage the standard versions do. Too bad there isn't a standard transmission Prius to make a better
 comparison. Automatics kill power and mileage.

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 07:54:08 pm »
The new DSG in the TDI is a 6 speed, with a 7 speed possible in the new future with may get pretty econ then a manual
I think more of a point is the diesel and hybrid get close to the same mileage

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Re: BMW 520D vs a Prius fuel consumption
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 07:58:50 pm »
True, in cities, hybrids make more sense. However, on highways, where engines run at more or less constant speeds, hybrids lose their advantage. The benefit of regenerative braking is lost too. I was referring to NA in general rather than I-95 specifically. I-95 is a major truck route with three lanes both ways dedicated to trucks. Other than cities, one does not see such a high concentration of trucks. Did Jay Leno remember to mention what the effective concentrations of nitrogen oxides and particulate emissions are in causing illness, and what the current levels are? He may mean well, but so does Al Gore from whose presentation we can infer extinction in the next fifty. Also, it is as unfair to point at the Touareg, as it is to claim the second meanest car is a petrol (in your link). A more valid case is made when you consider that 3.0L Mercedes diesels make the list and there are no diesels in the 'greenest' list. However, I couldn't find the criteria (other than fuel economy) they use to rank cars.