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Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« on: February 22, 2008, 04:55:16 pm »
I'm sure everyone here remembers reading about this guy.  This proves my point exactly.  This is a law that discriminates against younger people. 


A 76-year-old eastern Ontario man will not have to face the hefty fine reserved for street racers, despite being charged under a new law designed to crack down on extreme speeding.
   
Norman Harding of Pembroke, Ont., was clocked by a police officer as travelling 130 km/h while passing a vehicle in an 80 km/h zone in January. Speeds of 130 km/h or more are considered stunt driving under a new Ontario law and conviction carries a fine of $2,000 to $10,000, along with six demerit points.

However, on Thursday, assistant Crown attorney Robert McGowan reduced the speed on the ticket to 129 km/h, dropping Harding out of the stunt driving category.

"I'm not a stunt driver and never was," Harding said. "At my age, it's not something I'm going to start to do."

Harding pleaded guilty in a Killaloe, Ont., court to driving 129 km/h. He was fined $340 and will get four demerit points. He said he has learned his lesson and will stick to the speed limit from now on.

However, he also said the street-racing law was not meant to be applied to seniors driving to a doctor's appointment.

His friend Douglas Biggs also doesn't believe Harding should have been charged in the first place under a law designed to reduce street racing fatalities among young drivers.

"The police are a little out of control I'd say," said Biggs. "I have total respect for law, but they're going a little overboard."

Despite the outcome of the case, OPP Const. Mark Mackisoc, the officer who stopped Harding, said he has no regrets about laying the charge.

"The charge was definitely warranted," he said, adding that the speeding legislation will be interpreted in a variety of ways by the courts.

As a result of the stunt racing charge, Harding's vehicle was immediately impounded and his licence was suspended for seven days.
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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 05:32:06 pm »


Which scares you more the prospect of a 26 year old speeding 50km/h over the limit or a 76 year old doing the same? ???





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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 05:37:09 pm »
I don't know. Tickets get bumped down all the time no matter what your age. The ticket was only bumped down 1 kmh in this case. Let's just face the facts that you guys passed a stupid law when a person who would normally be ticketed for speeding is now guilty of stunting or street racing. I thought it took at least two cars to be guilty of racing. I think the proper punishment was meted out in this case.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 05:51:06 pm »
^^BS.  If the guy would have been 25 years old driving to the same doctors appointment, he would have had the book thrown at him, with nothing reduced...

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 05:55:44 pm »
^^BS.  If the guy would have been 25 years old driving to the same doctors appointment, he would have had the book thrown at him, with nothing reduced...

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I guess ageism works both ways. :-\ ::) :P

Either there is a law for everyone or the law should not exist.  Intent without the full driving record is hard to prove, so by that logic giving the guy a break makes sense.  However, it must also then be shown that a 25 year old would get the same treatment under the same conditions.  I'm with rrocket in believing the prejudice and hence the judgement would be different.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 06:12:14 pm »
Still seems like a stupid law to me. Since when do cops get to be judges? (impounding cars before a court date)

Fines and lots of points for speeding....OK,....but why not just charge racers/stunt drivers with reckless driving?
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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 06:31:52 pm »
I think the proper punishment was meted out in this case.


The law is stupid, but it is clear 50km/h over the speed limit = street racing. The old man was caught for 50 over according to the law he should have faced the full fine + 6 points that's the proper punishment. I don't think it is a fair punishment but by the book it is what it is.

I'm 27 and if I were caught speeding in the same circumstances the chances that the charge would be reduced is virtually nil. I think the punishment under this law is grossly unfair period, but it becomes doubly unfair when such punishments are meted out selectively according to the age of the defendant.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 06:43:41 pm »
Someone should set up a website that facilitates citizens to easily e-mail a stock or modified message to their MLA opposing the new 50km/h street racing laws in Ontario.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 07:01:10 pm »
The article says he was clocked that fast while passing cars in an 80 km/h zone - would that have been across a dotted yellow?  When I pass cars on single lane highways I floor it - sometimes reaching 120 or 130 km/h, but quickly drop back to 80 km/h afterwards.  A dotted yellow generally signifies a relatively safe stretch of road and I don't like to be in the opposing lanes longer than I have to be.



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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 07:24:57 pm »
The article says he was clocked that fast while passing cars in an 80 km/h zone - would that have been across a dotted yellow?  When I pass cars on single lane highways I floor it - sometimes reaching 120 or 130 km/h, but quickly drop back to 80 km/h afterwards.  A dotted yellow generally signifies a relatively safe stretch of road and I don't like to be in the opposing lanes longer than I have to be.

The Highway Traffic Act in Manitoba states you are not to exceed the speed limit when passing.  I'm sure it's the same across the country.

This old fart got special treatment and that's unacceptable.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 07:57:27 pm »
I think there's a difference.  It's one thing if he was constantly speeding at 130 km/h passing everyone on a highway, and another if he was doing it for less than 30 seconds while passing a car in the opposing lanes.

I think that if you break the law, you should accept whatever penalty it comes with.  However, I also think that judges or juries should look at each case individually to decide on the proper level of punishment.  The accused shouldn't be allowed to use technicalities and weasel his/her way out of punishment, but the courts should be set up to look at intent while considering punishment.  It's hard to articulate exactly how I feel about the issue, but hopefully you get the point.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 08:52:36 pm »
The article says he was clocked that fast while passing cars in an 80 km/h zone - would that have been across a dotted  When I pass cars on single lane highways I floor it - sometimes reaching 120 or 130 km/h, but quickly drop back to 80 km/h afterwards.  A dotted yellow generally signifies a relatively safe stretch of road and I don't like to be in the opposing lanes longer than I have to be.

The Highway Traffic Act in Manitoba states you are not to exceed the speed limit when passing.  I'm sure it's the same across the country.

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That's another stupid law when applied to 2 lane roads (thankfully rarely enforced around here)  Far more dangerous to increase your exposure on the "wrong" side of the road than to pull in doing 30-40 Km over the limit. get out...get by the guy...and get back on your side of the road.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 09:12:41 pm »
What is needed really are politicians who think before passing stupid laws... or any laws for that matter.    hell will freeze over....
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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2008, 09:33:36 pm »
The law is stupid. What ever happened to plain old reckless driving?
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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2008, 09:59:31 pm »
The law is stupid. What ever happened to plain old reckless driving?



There were plenty of laws already in place, such as dangerous driving, that would have been adequate to combat street racing when necessary. Real street racing probably involves breaking nearly every traffic rule in the book.

The reason that this new law was passed was so that the politician could grandstand and say how tough they are on this menace to society (which in reality is rare as the statistics demonstrate.) Because the whole point of this exercise was the show and not the substance of the law they probably didn't give much thought to the content of the legislation. Remember how the OPP officers and politicians were expressing surprise in media interviews at the huge number of charges that were laid during the first few weeks of enforcement. That's because they hadn't actually studied what the likely effects of the new law would be.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2008, 10:28:16 pm »
Agreed

Knee-jerk reaction by politicians..how surprising

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 01:35:36 pm »
Seems like the law is broken when you can get charged with street racing when there is no street racing involved.  The guy should have been charged under the normal speeding laws and due process applied.  Sounds like it was instead applies willy nilly with no investigation of the cause.  Also they said he was passing a car...did he pass the car and then proceed onwards at a high rate of speed or did he pass and then slow down and then get pulled over?  It makes sense to get a fair bit of overtake if you're going to pass someone...otherwise thats dangerous too.

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 04:45:50 pm »
To me it takes at least 2 vehciles to have a drag race and there did not appear to be a 2nd vehicle involved in racing with this older driver at all. I suspect thats why the charges were dropped.  :)

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2008, 05:35:17 pm »
This old fart got special treatment and that's unacceptable.
The special treatment was unacceptable, but at least the outcome was fair.  He wasn't street racing, and he wasn't charged for it.

It's too bad we can't charge people based on intentions. 

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Re: Senior Escapes Street Racing Charges..
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2008, 07:33:27 pm »
^^^^Others have lost their license for doing 150 km/h on the 401 while not racing anyone...just driving quickly.