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Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« on: December 26, 2007, 04:01:34 am »
b]Consumers suspicious of automobile pricing[/b]
Survey respondents believe vehicles are less expensive in the United States, and want the government to act
GREG KEENAN

AUTO INDUSTRY REPORTER

December 24, 2007

Car buyers want the federal government to force auto makers to reduce the prices of their vehicles in Canada to match those in the United States, says a survey of new auto purchasers by consulting firm Maritz Canada Inc.

Almost all buyers - 96 per cent - are aware of the difference in prices between vehicles in the two countries and more than two-thirds point to the vehicle companies as being most responsible for higher prices, said Maritz, which surveyed 1,918 Canadians who bought a new car in the past 12 months. Eight of every 10 people responding want the federal government to act. Many of them blame Ottawa for being at least partly responsible for higher prices in Canada.

"These findings clearly suggest that the automotive industry needs to take action to address these perceptions - whether it is to further reduce prices or to start communicating with consumers to help them understand the underlying reasons for the price gap," Maritz said.

Those surveyed believed a $20,000 car would cost $3,200 less in the United States, a $30,000 car would be $5,180 cheaper and a $40,000 vehicle would cost $7,500 less at a U.S. dealership.

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 It also showed that as many as half the people who bought cars in the past 12 months would consider buying a vehicle in the United States, while 74 per cent of those planning to buy a vehicle in the next 12 months would consider heading south.

"Over half of the market; we're not talking 5 per cent to 7 per cent here," said Chris Travell, vice-president Maritz's automotive group. "It looks like it's going to continue to be an issue in the short term."

Cross-border car shopping has been a thorny and high-profile issue for auto makers in Canada as the Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. currency and then soared to $1.10.

Auto makers at first stood steadfast and insisted that the price gap was not as large as it appeared to be because of different incentives and lease rates and maintained that prices are set for individual national markets.

But as the flood of buyers to the south hit a peak in October and November, auto makers responded first with incentives for cash buyers, then cut prices with rebates, subsidized lease rates and other incentives.

About three-quarters of the buyers who responded to the survey, however, said they don't believe the recent price cuts, reduced lease rates and cash incentives are sufficient to offset the difference in prices between Canadian and U.S. vehicles.

That's despite the blitz of incentive money and advertising dollars that has flowed into the market in recent months as auto makers have tried to keep buyers at home.

"It's an expensive game that everybody's playing right now," Mr. Travell said.

The number of cross-border shoppers hit a record in November at 30,002 - which surpassed the previous record set in October - but the numbers have been rising all year.

As of Nov. 30, more than 166,000 Canadians had purchased cars in the United States, shattering the record of 112,826 set in 2006.


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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 04:10:08 am »
Just did a copy and paste from the website, as I can't yet post web links.  Looks like I copied some extra stuff unintenionly.  Oh well, I'm sure the story is readable as is.

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 05:38:40 am »
Peg the Loonie one-for-one with the American buck and all our problems will be solved. 

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 06:44:49 am »
Peg the Loonie one-for-one with the American buck and all our problems will be solved. 

...and new problems will be created.
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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 07:05:27 am »
Peg the Loonie one-for-one with the American buck and all our problems will be solved. 

...and new problems will be created.
...which will be far more serious to the Canadian economy that those of a few   (.5% of the population) wanting cheaper cars.

Which is not to say that a full scale economic union with the USA , if very carefully thought out and even more carefully negotiated, might not be a good idea in the long term.... but just pegging the $  no way.
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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 08:37:29 am »
The rise of the dollar is good for some people and I think we deserve it, however I read an atricle a few weeks back that the rise also makes us the most expensive country to manufacture automobiles.

That won't help attract new investments here by any of the autocos who really don't care a rats ass about the quality of our life. It's the bottom line and we are not under it - we are over it!  ::)

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2007, 10:46:56 am »
most expensive country to manufacture automobiles.

Really, more expensive than ie: Germany? ???
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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 11:15:14 am »
The rise of the dollar is good for some people and I think we deserve it, however I read an atricle a few weeks back that the rise also makes us the most expensive country to manufacture automobiles.

That won't help attract new investments here by any of the autocos who really don't care a rats ass about the quality of our life. It's the bottom line and we are not under it - we are over it!  ::)

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/AUTO01/712100349/1148

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 11:42:54 am »
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/AUTO01/712100349/1148

Another perfect opportunity for the Unions and Manufacturers to play one government vs the other.

Get out your cheque books tax payers, this ones going to cost us!

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 11:54:38 am »
Yes.   A pity really as all those people making Big3 cars would be far more usefully employed making Mazdas,Toyotas,Hondas,Subarus and maybe even some Volvos, Renaults and Citroens if they must keep making cars.

Or any other high-ish tech manufacturing that does not require a government subsidy every few years. ( which rules out Aerospace I guess.)

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 12:22:22 pm »
Thanks for the link MKII. That was the article.

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2007, 12:30:31 pm »
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Almost all buyers - 96 per cent - are aware of the difference in prices between vehicles in the two countries and more than two-thirds point to the vehicle companies as being most responsible for higher prices, said Maritz, which surveyed 1,918 Canadians who bought a new car in the past 12 months. Eight of every 10 people responding want the federal government to act. Many of them blame Ottawa for being at least partly responsible for higher prices in Canada.

Who were these people? ::)

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2007, 12:44:50 pm »
I didn't think the Forbes List had that many people in Canada.  ??? ::)

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2007, 01:00:01 pm »
Didn't 82% of those people also say that Santa should bring them a new car for Christmas? I wonder how that turned out for them?

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Re: Interesting read in the Globe & Mail about Canadian car pricing.
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 05:45:32 pm »
The feds sold regular Canucks on Free Trade by going on and on about how we'd finally get the good American pricing on our consumer goods.  Now people are wondering what happened.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2007, 09:13:22 pm »
The feds sold regular Canucks on Free Trade by going on and on about how we'd finally get the good American pricing on our consumer goods.  Now people are wondering what happened.
I paid a lot of attention to the FTA/NAFTA stuff at the time and I don't remember that. I remember the emphasis being on our jobs in Canada being protected from the protectionist US congress so all the good jobs would not migrate to Alabama.  Hmmmmmmm  now if they had negotiated freedom of movement of labour then we could just have followed the jobs.... hmmmmm :foil: :eye: :shake:

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2008, 07:56:05 pm »
The feds sold regular Canucks on Free Trade by going on and on about how we'd finally get the good American pricing on our consumer goods.  Now people are wondering what happened.
I paid a lot of attention to the FTA/NAFTA stuff at the time and I don't remember that. I remember the emphasis being on our jobs in Canada being protected from the protectionist US congress so all the good jobs would not migrate to Alabama.  Hmmmmmmm  now if they had negotiated freedom of movement of labour then we could just have followed the jobs.... hmmmmm :foil: :eye: :shake:

I think they went Mexico instead.

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2008, 09:39:23 pm »
The feds sold regular Canucks on Free Trade by going on and on about how we'd finally get the good American pricing on our consumer goods.  Now people are wondering what happened.
Yes, the free trade agreement was a big load of BS. Brian Mulroney made this agreement to help out his friends in manufacturing and to take the thunder away from unions. It was nothing to do with the average consumer in Canada. Now Mulroney's BS in coming to the forfront with the investigation into his dealing with the German Karl Schriber. I knew the truth would come out about him.

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