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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2007, 01:24:40 pm »
 may i suggest    "GOOD GRIEF COUNSELLORS..c/o CHARLIE BROWN".....
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2007, 03:26:14 pm »

That's pretty much right on the money Nick. Spoiling for the fight constantly can really take its toll on your own well being. There's a time and place for everything. In this case, these people did buy a car from us and there is something wrong with it (this time). Most people would be upset in that situation. It's just amazing when a middle aged adult's coping strategies are inferior to the average six year old's.

You could have given her a timeout?  :D  Worked for my little kids.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of adult babies out there.   

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2007, 04:51:08 pm »
Thanks Cord! Keep them comming! ;D

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2007, 05:18:02 pm »
She reminds me of the kids in my shop class. They tried pulling the same stunts, and got very angry when they realized that I don't have deal with that behavior in the name of customer relations and retention. They were still fuming when principle backed me up insted of them.
I guess Cord's customer got away with that behavior her whole life.

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2007, 05:35:12 pm »
There are some customers you just don't want.

Didn't Sprint-Nextel terminate subscriber agreements for a small percentage of mobile phone users because they spent unreal time on the client care lines complaining? I say way to go.
Ahhh yes, found the article http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-07-10-1609203244_x.htm
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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2007, 06:38:40 pm »
There are some customers you just don't want.

Didn't Sprint-Nextel terminate subscriber agreements for a small percentage of mobile phone users because they spent unreal time on the client care lines complaining? I say way to go.
Ahhh yes, found the article http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-07-10-1609203244_x.htm


 :iagree:

I've found in business that 2% of your customers cause 98% of your major customer service issues headaches and you're better off without them. You literally can not please everyone and to try only means pouring money down the drain.
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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2007, 08:12:50 pm »
That's fine if business rid themselves of bad customers, as long as they know where to draw the line. I don't want to see businesses labeling customers "bad" and canceling contracts because the customers are demanding that their product or service does what it is supposed to for their money.

For Sprint, I would say it’s good that they have the guts to do what they feel is right.


EDIT: I forgot to mention that if a customer is rude and obnoxious because your product or service is failing that would make that customer at best a "bad person" but not necessarily a "bad customer".
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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2007, 02:37:39 pm »
 :iagree:

I was fired from the local GM dealerships (Pine View and Woodbine) for acually being an informed customer. I guess that they didn't like the fact that I cafefully read the warrenty book, documented everything, and took the time to look up the TSB's neeeded to prove my case.
The funny thing was that those same dealerships (and service reps) wanted to become my friend after the warrenty expired.
I went out of my way to become a bad customer when  I was told that the burned out lightbulbs in my dash required the complete replacement of several moduals for $1000 plus labor, and was pressured to go for thier offer. I went back 1 week later with a $75 invoice from my mechanic, and a $5 invoice from Radio Shack for the needed lightbulbs (that the dealers refused to tell me about), and firmly asked what they were trying to pull, and that I would have gladly let them do the work.
Thats when a service rep rememebred that I was an informed customer (that probobly didn't spend enough at the dealership anyways), and I was officially fired once and for all.

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2007, 11:57:53 pm »
Here's one to end the week.

With few selling days remaining in our year, there are certain individual and group goals that are within range and so we have been advertising about a dozen units a day for the last few days at prices well below our cost just to pad the numbers for the salespeople and for our department. For the most part, the people that have bought these vehicles almost always try a half-hearted attempt to negotiate a lower price. But when told, "No", they pretty much all realize they won't find a cheaper one and  happily pay the sale price.

We advertised a late model SUV for $22995. This is about $6000 below our normal retail price and is priced about $3000 lower than the cheapest of 18 comparable vehicles that we could find on the internet in our area. It truly was an excellent price.

So we have Mr. Middle Age, his wife and their 12 or 13 year old son come in nice and early this morning to look at the advertised SUV. They go for the 20 minute test drive, pronounce that they like the vehicle, and come back into the salesman's office. As expected, the man attempts to offer $20,000 and the salesman tells him that there will be no negotiating of the sale price. The man tries again, explaining that the SUV is used (duh), that he should get a discount (why?), and that he has seen them all over the place with less mileage and for less money (then what the hell are you doing here?). When all his attempts fail he asks to speak to the manager. He then tells me that the salesman has been very rude in not even writing up his offer. I tell him that the sale prices are not negotiable and that if he doesn't feel the value is there that we are glad he came in and to have a nice day." And with that I leave to go deal with other salesmen that are waiting for me.

Just as I begin a conversation with another salesman the man barges into my office with, "How dare you humiliate me in front of my son! I'm trying to show him how to buy a car and its like you are all mocking my efforts."

As you can imagine, I'm a little bit stunned by this emotional plea from this obviously fragile man. I tell the man I have no interest in mocking him, only in selling some cars. And that he is welcome to buy the one he came for if he pays the sale price. He calms down a bit and we exchange a little small talk and then he says that he will pay the sale price but only if he can take it for a drive by himself for an hour or so. Against my better judgment, I agree. He provides me with his driver's license and we fill out the necessary insurance form. Off he goes.

The hour passes. Another hour passes. We call his cell phone - no answer. We were extremely busy today so a little more time passes and then after about the 4th hour we begin to think about what we should do. We decide that in another hour we will call the cops and let them find him. About half an hour before our deadline, he calls. In what sounds like a poorly rehearsed speech he starts straight away with, "In light of how I was treated there earlier, I'm willing to offer you $21,000." At this point I've lost all interest in diplomacy. "If you do not return the vehicle within 30 minutes we will call the police and report the vehicle stolen. And unless you pay us the price that you agreed to, we will launch legal proceedings against you seeing as we have had to turn people away all day on that vehicle." Click.

I laid it on a little heavy regarding the legal action but we had turned 7 or 8 people away on that vehicle during the time it was gone.

He was back in about 15 minutes. Or at least the vehicle was - with just the wife inside. It's been a while since I had seen anyone look so absolutely mortified. She and the salesman quickly did up the paperwork, she wrote a cheque, got her plates and insurance and left. The salesman said she was so embarrassed that she refused the offer of filling the gas tank or washing the vehicle. Poor lady. Poor kid.

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2007, 12:30:35 am »
That is a pathetic story with which to end the year, but unfortunately it rings all to truly.  :'( :'(
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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2007, 05:32:05 am »
Cord the next time I need a car I will buy from your dealership.  I am a kool customer.   ;)

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2007, 09:40:18 pm »
He was back in about 15 minutes. Or at least the vehicle was - with just the wife inside. It's been a while since I had seen anyone look so absolutely mortified. She and the salesman quickly did up the paperwork, she wrote a cheque, got her plates and insurance and left. The salesman said she was so embarrassed that she refused the offer of filling the gas tank or washing the vehicle. Poor lady. Poor kid.

 ???  I'd like to know just what was going through this guy's head?  I wouldn't have your patience - probably would have called the cops after he was an hour late.  Unreal...

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2007, 09:57:12 pm »
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I'd like to know just what was going through this guy's head?

Here's my theory. Many people are scared to death of buying a car and dealing with a salesperson. And in many cases this fear manifests itself in all kinds of kooky behaviour. And this fear has less to do with actually buying a car and more to do with these people's lack of interpersonal skills. Any patience that I have is based on my belief that most of these people are probably relatively normal in day to day life and they are not acting out of malice toward me or anyone else at the dealership. They just can't handle the stress of buying a car, making decisions, and dealing with people face to face. The number of people so afflicted has definitely increased since I started in this business nearly 20 years ago and increase even more in the future.

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #73 on: January 01, 2008, 06:14:02 pm »

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2008, 02:02:01 am »
Cord, I think your analysis has much merit, and also probably serves to help you keep a cool head in these situations. 

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2008, 07:59:06 am »
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I'd like to know just what was going through this guy's head?

Here's my theory. Many people are scared to death of buying a car and dealing with a salesperson. And in many cases this fear manifests itself in all kinds of kooky behaviour. And this fear has less to do with actually buying a car and more to do with these people's lack of interpersonal skills. Any patience that I have is based on my belief that most of these people are probably relatively normal in day to day life and they are not acting out of malice toward me or anyone else at the dealership. They just can't handle the stress of buying a car, making decisions, and dealing with people face to face. The number of people so afflicted has definitely increased since I started in this business nearly 20 years ago and increase even more in the future.

And so it will continue if the current business model continues. I wish more dealers here were as reasonable as you Cord.

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2008, 08:50:56 am »
So, if I understand correctly, he was holding the vehicle hostage?  Did he say what he would do if you did not meet the price?  Cut off the antenna and mail it to you?   :rofl:

Thanks for the laugh this morning, Cord... Great story.   


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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2008, 11:17:15 pm »
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I'd like to know just what was going through this guy's head?

Here's my theory. Many people are scared to death of buying a car and dealing with a salesperson. And in many cases this fear manifests itself in all kinds of kooky behaviour. And this fear has less to do with actually buying a car and more to do with these people's lack of interpersonal skills. Any patience that I have is based on my belief that most of these people are probably relatively normal in day to day life and they are not acting out of malice toward me or anyone else at the dealership. They just can't handle the stress of buying a car, making decisions, and dealing with people face to face. The number of people so afflicted has definitely increased since I started in this business nearly 20 years ago and increase even more in the future.

Maybe you can offer car buying training?   :)


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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2008, 09:45:14 am »

Maybe you can offer car buying training?   :)


Not all dealerships and dealers are so much "with it" and so patient and accommodating as Cord. I figure after a few "bad customers" like this, they start to treat all their customers like crap so a "good customer" often has no chance.

So a course like that should also teach people how to spot a "bad dealer" and avoid them or treat them the way they are used to...

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Re: Cord's Believe It or Not.
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2008, 01:13:53 pm »
Very good story Cord. Keep them coming.  :)
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