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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2007, 06:35:47 pm »
Or could it be because buyers associate the Saturn brand with cheap, mean, nasty crap cars and are unwilling to drop $50K at a Saturn dealership that is filled with Ions? GM is pouring money into a sinkhole (again!) with Saturn while denying product to its bread and butter brands like Pontiac. Saturn should have been axed years ago.

It's a reputation that they've had a massive media blitz to address, at least here in the States.  The "That's a Saturn?" ads.  Frankly, while old Saturns were cheap, mean, and nasty cars, the new ones are great.  The Aura is very nice, as is the 2008 Vue (Opel Antara; unrelated to the 2007 Vue).  The Sky a great-looking and fun roadster.  Really, the Ion is the last of the "old" Saturn, and it's now being replaced with the Astra, which should be everything people expect from a German-designed compact hatchback.
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2007, 06:48:39 pm »
 so the new De_IONized cars are not watered down..but should run rings round "THE VIEW".......surf's UP at Malibu too........Triple LUTZ.... :banana: :banana: :thumbup: :bow:
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #82 on: November 23, 2007, 08:27:24 am »
so the new De_IONized cars are not watered down..but should run rings round "THE VIEW".......surf's UP at Malibu too........Triple LUTZ.... :banana: :banana: :thumbup: :bow:

Speaking of LUTZ, is that where they got the idea for "LTZ"  ;)
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #83 on: November 23, 2007, 12:29:44 pm »
Just explain how the 4cylinder Malibu does not compete. provide it or be quiet - you ask for proof all the time and yet you have offered not one thing to back up anything you assert. Why is that?

The Malibu's power train is that of the Aura.

October 07 Canadian sales:   http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,49281.360.html
Page. 19

AURA = 269 

Camry =  2021

Accord =  1902

I predicted it would be a horrible flop.  ;D

People who have driven it seem to really like it......

Here is a video review of the 4 cylinder/4 speed Aura which is used in the 2008 Malibu.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/video/07saturn_aura_wmv.htm

And why on earth would GM create a 5speed auto when they will be using a 6speed auto soon enough?

The 6 speed will only go into the loaded LTZ with paddle shifters  ::).  The price point will be too high and then price point will go to Accord or Camry. So will the customers.

The 6 speed in the V6 Malibu I'm sure will work well.  Putting that same unit into a ECOTECT 2.4 will be typical GM parts bin mentality that has led them down the drain.

  People who have driven it seem to really like it...... 

Post some links. LOVE to read them.  :)

Why talk about the Aura sales, exactly? Unlike Toyota or Honda, if you want a midsize vehicle at GM you have afew offerings from which to choose from and so really, the sales have to be looked at together because they are all in the same market 'area' (this is the list given at the GMcanada.com web site when you click on midsize cars......):
                07 sales as of october:
Malibu                 8707
G6                    10315 
Aura                   2820
Impala               14530
Grand Prix            9910
Allure                  7826

Saturn also has alot fewer dealerships in Canada compared to Chev dealerships, right?

At GM there are lots of vehicle choices. Needless to say though that you need to also look at the siblings of the new malibu that also offer the same powertrain - the G6 and the Aura and both sell pretty well.

Oh and if you can read, try this below:

http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBasicIndustries-SP/idUSN2122055120071122

Reuters Summit-GM's Malibu smashes first-month sales target
Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:11pm EST

So how are things going for a vehicle that just now is arriving on dealer lots? Seems pretty good so far.......

That video review was for the Aura, which has, as you say the same powertrain, but it appears the Malibu has a new twist on it:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123277

"Special attention went into controlling the honking ruckus that intake air makes while entering the standard 169-horsepower 2.4-liter inline-4, which Chevy anticipates will power 70 percent of all the Malibu models sold. Incoming air encounters nine tuners and resonators before reaching the engine. The effect is, well, the absence of vice. The engine seems smoother and the average driver is probably more likely to keep his foot on the gas because the engine doesn't sound like it's eating itself."

http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/08malibu.htm
"Naturally, the six-cylinder provides the power punch an enthusiast would look for, but don't disregard the four. This engine had plenty of pep to run up the steep hills and switchbacks of California's coastal highway, so you will never be embarrassed merging into freeway traffic."

there are others but for now this is good enough.....

And, isn't this really a non-issue? in no time at all the 4cylinder/6speed auto will be out and then what will be the issue with the car? other than it being a Chev! How long, if it is an ltz only option, until it is in every 4cylinder Malibu/G6/Aura/Cobalt/G5....... then what?

And you still have never explained your logic on why the 2.4 4cylinder/6speed auto will not be a good powertrain combination.

Is it because you can't?

You know your wrong, and that is why you haven't even bothered to try and address any of the earlier responses with Toyota engines having different transmissions behind them.
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #84 on: November 23, 2007, 09:47:50 pm »

Why talk about the Aura sales, exactly? Unlike Toyota or Honda, if you want a midsize vehicle at GM you have afew offerings from which to choose from and so really, the sales have to be looked at together because they are all in the same market 'area' (this is the list given at the GMcanada.com web site when you click on midsize cars......):
                07 sales as of october:
Malibu                 8707
G6                    10315 
Aura                   2820
Impala               14530
Grand Prix            9910
Allure                  7826

Saturn also has alot fewer dealerships in Canada compared to Chev dealerships, right?

At GM there are lots of vehicle choices. Needless to say though that you need to also look at the siblings of the new malibu that also offer the same powertrain - the G6 and the Aura and both sell pretty well.

Oh and if you can read, try this below:

http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBasicIndustries-SP/idUSN2122055120071122

Reuters Summit-GM's Malibu smashes first-month sales target
Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:11pm EST

So how are things going for a vehicle that just now is arriving on dealer lots? Seems pretty good so far.......

That video review was for the Aura, which has, as you say the same powertrain, but it appears the Malibu has a new twist on it:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123277

"Special attention went into controlling the honking ruckus that intake air makes while entering the standard 169-horsepower 2.4-liter inline-4, which Chevy anticipates will power 70 percent of all the Malibu models sold. Incoming air encounters nine tuners and resonators before reaching the engine. The effect is, well, the absence of vice. The engine seems smoother and the average driver is probably more likely to keep his foot on the gas because the engine doesn't sound like it's eating itself."

http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/08malibu.htm
"Naturally, the six-cylinder provides the power punch an enthusiast would look for, but don't disregard the four. This engine had plenty of pep to run up the steep hills and switchbacks of California's coastal highway, so you will never be embarrassed merging into freeway traffic."

there are others but for now this is good enough.....

And, isn't this really a non-issue? in no time at all the 4cylinder/6speed auto will be out and then what will be the issue with the car? other than it being a Chev! How long, if it is an ltz only option, until it is in every 4cylinder Malibu/G6/Aura/Cobalt/G5....... then what?

And you still have never explained your logic on why the 2.4 4cylinder/6speed auto will not be a good powertrain combination.

Is it because you can't?

You know your wrong, and that is why you haven't even bothered to try and address any of the earlier responses with Toyota engines having different transmissions behind them.

Why talk about the Aura sales, exactly?

Because that was the vehicle GM really hyped.  It was going to be the segment killer.  ::)  Nope.  If the Aura was fantastic, the word would get out and buyers would seek it out.   

Oh and if you can read, try this below:

How about yourself  ::)  That link was posted in it's entirety by SIR A on the previous page or 7 posts prior.    :stick:

Bob Lutz, GM vice chairman and product development chief, told the Reuters Autos Summit in Detroit that GM appeared on track to sell about 3,000 of the new mid-size sedans in November, far higher than its projection for about 500 in the initial month.

Those numbers are absolutely meaningless.  When cars are delivered to dealers they are technically sold.  So how many Chevy dealers in North America?

 And, isn't this really a non-issue? in no time at all the 4cylinder/6speed auto will be out and then what will be the issue with the car? other than it being a Chev! How long, if it is an ltz only option, until it is in every 4cylinder Malibu/G6/Aura/Cobalt/G5....... then what?

The 6 speed will never get into the base 4 bangers and that will be one of the main factors that will keep it from reaching parity with the 4 cylinder Accord and 4 Camry.

2008 2nd quarter results will tell the tale on the Malibuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.  :)
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #85 on: November 24, 2007, 11:28:09 am »
Why talk about the Aura sales, exactly?

Because that was the vehicle GM really hyped.  It was going to be the segment killer.  ::)  Nope.  If the Aura was fantastic, the word would get out and buyers would seek it out.   

Oh and if you can read, try this below:

How about yourself  ::)  That link was posted in it's entirety by SIR A on the previous page or 7 posts prior.    :stick:

Bob Lutz, GM vice chairman and product development chief, told the Reuters Autos Summit in Detroit that GM appeared on track to sell about 3,000 of the new mid-size sedans in November, far higher than its projection for about 500 in the initial month.

Those numbers are absolutely meaningless.  When cars are delivered to dealers they are technically sold.  So how many Chevy dealers in North America?

 And, isn't this really a non-issue? in no time at all the 4cylinder/6speed auto will be out and then what will be the issue with the car? other than it being a Chev! How long, if it is an ltz only option, until it is in every 4cylinder Malibu/G6/Aura/Cobalt/G5....... then what?

The 6 speed will never get into the base 4 bangers and that will be one of the main factors that will keep it from reaching parity with the 4 cylinder Accord and 4 Camry.

2008 2nd quarter results will tell the tale on the Malibuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.  :)

Because that was the vehicle GM really hyped eh? I figured I'd let you get far enough to break the news to you:
The 2007 Saturn Aura did not have a 4cylinder engine in its line-up.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/07aura.htm

Suprise - again your wrong! The Malibu and the 2007 Aura share one powertrain - the 3.6/6speed auto

GM figures the sales ratio will be 70 percent 4cylinders for mid-size cars like the Aura and Malibu, so what are you trying to say about the Aura compared to Malibu sales again? Especially when you are using 2007 sales? LOL

PS - you might want to read a little further down in that link to actually understand what is being reported:
""We thought that we would have about 3,500 (Malibus) at dealers and that we would retail about 500," Lutz said. "Instead it appears for November the retail number is going to be 3,000 and there are going to be 500 at dealers, which means most Chevrolet dealers do not have a car because they're selling as fast as they get them."

So the dealers don't have Malibus on their lots because they are selling out as soon as they arrive.

How is that meaningless again?

"The 6 speed will never get into the base 4 bangers and that will be one of the main factors that will keep it from reaching parity with the 4 cylinder Accord and 4 Camry."

So when the 6speed auto reaches all of the 4cylinders will you finally admit your wrong?

You couldn't even do that when you were wrong about the Matrix/Vibe or the all-new motor in the Corolla

Oh and by the way, I was actually asking this:

And you still have never explained your logic on why the 2.4 4cylinder/6speed auto will not be a good powertrain combination.

Is it because you can't?

You know your wrong, and that is why you haven't even bothered to try and address any of the earlier responses with Toyota engines having different transmissions behind them.


Anything? I didn't think so.

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #86 on: November 24, 2007, 12:27:12 pm »
 wrong ROOM...... totally boring arguments are in Salon # 123.........is this BUZZ HARDONE posting............. ::) :P

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #87 on: November 24, 2007, 02:32:04 pm »
OH GREAT ONE, KNOWER of ALL, totally boring arguments for a totally boring vehicle/segment.  :)

I suppose we can talk about the interior ...... again


Suprise - again your wrong! The Malibu and the 2007 Aura share one powertrain - the 3.6/6speed auto

They had the 4 clunker.  They both share the same motor/tranny.

So the dealers don't have Malibus on their lots because they are selling out as soon as they arrive.

How is that meaningless again?


What Lutz is saying is that one out of every two Chev dealers in North America now has a demo.  :rofl:

That Lutz is great; he'll say anything.  First it was the Volt.  Then it was RWD, then it was MAYBE on the RWD.  Remember E85 flex fuel :rofl: 

And you still have never explained your logic on why the 2.4 4cylinder/6speed auto will not be a good powertrain combination.

Is it because you can't?


Dude, if the Japanese or the Euros haven't developed a 6 speed/4 banger for the NA market GM is the last manufacturer in the world to do it and succeed.  SUCCEED being the operative word.  :)

You know your wrong

I, like his eminence Mr. LUTZ, are never WRONG.  We may be misguided, partial insane at times, but never WRONG.  :)


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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2007, 09:56:33 am »
wrong ROOM...... totally boring arguments are in Salon # 123.........is this BUZZ HARDONE posting............. ::) :P

No it's Barrie 2,what kind of car does he drive?

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2007, 10:03:43 am »
I know enough to know I don't know everything. But, unlike you, I can at least back what I write up with fact.

So what does that say about you, then, and what you know?

Articsteve again your wrong.

There was no 4cylinder/4speed auto combo in the 2007 Saturn Aura:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/07aura.htm

That is right from this very website.

Read the section on the powertrains for the XR and XE models - then read it again - and then read it yet again - and then let me know where it says 2.4/4speed auto

Lutz has said alot of things. Volt? soon enough. RWD? ever heard of Oshawa - g8? Camaro? future Impala? nah probably not. E85? seems like GM has plenty of e85 vehicles....

"Dude, if the Japanese or the Euros haven't developed a 6 speed/4 banger for the NA market GM is the last manufacturer in the world to do it and succeed.  SUCCEED being the operative word.  :) "

How long did it take to think up such a useless response? Honda had trouble with 4speeds/5speeds for years. Toyota is having trouble with their 6speeds right now. And you think that GM cannot make a 6speed auto 4cylinder combo?

Lets see GM has a 6speed auto that works with a v6 that revs higher, makes more torque and yet they can't get one to work with a 4cylinder?

This just shows how little you really know.

You need to stop worrying about GM creating a 4cylinder/6speed auto and start worrying about Toyota transmissions.

You unlike Mr. Lutz have yet to ever be right.

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2007, 11:54:20 am »
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2007, 04:56:00 pm »
What a crazy way to introduce a "segment buster".  Offer a 4 cylinder/4 speed and then tell those very same buyers that it might come later with a 6 speed.  ::)  What buyer wants to hear that; that they might not be getting the best proper setup right out of the gate.

Nope, Malibu will do about as well as the Cobalt.  :)

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2007, 05:28:50 pm »
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2007, 05:34:05 pm »
What a crazy way to introduce a "segment buster".  Offer a 4 cylinder/4 speed and then tell those very same buyers that it might come later with a 6 speed.  ::)  What buyer wants to hear that; that they might not be getting the best proper setup right out of the gate.

Nope, Malibu will do about as well as the Cobalt.  :)

The 3-Series offered a new platform in 2006, but only offered upgraded engines (the 328i and 335i) a year later.  MB just did the same thing with the new C-Class.  It's fine if you don't like this new-platform-and-then-new-drivetrain tactic, but Chevy is far from the only company who uses it.
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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2007, 06:48:13 pm »
Thought 3 series was a segment leader.  :think:

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2007, 07:25:24 pm »
Thought 3 series was a segment leader.  :think:

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?  It's either okay to update the drivetrain of a new platform a year after the new platform's release, or it's not.

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2007, 09:02:55 pm »
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

NO   :)

Take your pick.  Which one's the Malibu.  :D

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2007, 09:04:59 pm »
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

NO   :)

Take your pick.  Which one's the Malibu.  :D

Funny pictures aside, are you admitting that you hold the Chevrolet to a different standard than brands you like?

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2007, 11:10:15 pm »
I admit that I can't seriously continue this thread if the 3 series Bimmer is now part of this discussion.

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Re: CD Article: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu
« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2007, 07:08:10 am »
I admit that I can't seriously continue this thread if the 3 series Bimmer is now part of this discussion.

You really should a test drive in the new Malibu if you want to seriously continue this thread