Topic: Canadian dealers have now turned to selling us those U.S. lemons

[carburator]

U.S. lemons found on Canadian car lots


What do you dealers think you are doing to now?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/2007/11/us_lemons_found_on_canadian_ca.html

[safristi]

..Make Lemonade................PULP THEM IN A BLENDER...Looks like used car dealers have moved down a few notches on the Trustworthy list..they are now below Politicians....

[bluelines]

Apparently BMW Canada is coming down hard on dealers who try to sell and US imports. I heard that Brian Jessel BMW in Vancouver brought in a bunch of Z4s earlier this year and were told by BMW to sell them all within a month or face major penalties.

I guess the only positive thing about BMW's actions here is that the provenance of US vehicles is less known, but Carfax, etc. should solve that problem.

[jcon]

"Now turned" suggests this is a new phenomenon. It's not.

We need a national "Lemon Law" in Canada.

[carburator]

There will never be a lemon law here.

It's isnt very funny that we can't go to the US and buy a car to take advantage of the dollar, but they have no problem shipping lemons up here and sell them to us

[safristi]

 where did the term "LEMON" fer a P.O.S Car  ...come from???....why Not a Banana Or a PEACH ....seems the Lemon Laws in the States are not Universal..and with the dealer buying it back he can turn around a re_sell it in most cases according to the story with the Lemon Status being undocumented...seems like their LEMON LAW is a BIT OF A LEMON TOO............

[jcon]

There will never be a lemon law here.

It's isnt very funny that we can't go to the US and buy a car to take advantage of the dollar, but they have no problem shipping lemons up here and sell them to us

Actually it's Canadian dealers purchasing them and shipping them up here. Blame the Canadian dealers.

In this day and age, I'm shocked anyone would purchase a used vehicle without running a CarFax report. They shouldn't have to, but they should none the less.

There will never be a lemon law here. What makes you say that? Even the article indicated that several provinces were going forward with legislation. I bet Doer will have draft legislation ready in no time to take advantage of this media publicity.

[carburator]

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There will never be a lemon law here.[/i] What makes you say that? Even the article indicated that several provinces were going forward with legislation. I bet Doer will have draft legislation ready in no time to take advantage of this media publicity.

I guess you don't realize how powerful the Automotive lobby is $$$$ ? Have you seen how difficult things are now? CAMVAP is what we have now and the manufacturers  own and operate it. That will not change.

[Wolfe]

There will never be a lemon law here.

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There will never be a lemon law here.[/i] What makes you say that? Even the article indicated that several provinces were going forward with legislation. I bet Doer will have draft legislation ready in no time to take advantage of this media publicity.

I guess you don't realize how powerful the Automotive lobby is $$$$ ? Have you seen how difficult things are now?

Bull $hit. The reason we have no lemon laws here is because Canadians haven't demanded them. Sure there are competeing interests but politicians will do what voters demand and corporations don't vote (at least not yet ). Complacency in the face of corporate opposition means we won't get a lemon law any time soon.

[jcon]

I think this has some legs, not long ones but enough for an NDP government in Manitoba.

If they jump on it now, they get some positive media. The Automobile lobby won't be strong in MB, and the media eats this stuff up.

It's the right time, right story, to make some changes (if they move quickly and keep the story going). Otherwise... nothing.

[safristi]

How many Lemons are Produced and stats, before we all go GAGA fer more GOV REGS........if they are needed learn from the mish mash hash they have/don't have in US......the only person their Law seems to help is the ORIGINAL BUYER after that it's Russian Roulette all over again..................anyone experience a DEALER..making good on a "Lemon"....there are so many ways a car could be declared a Lemon...a perfectionist could balk at a minor issue.....pretty hard to get a grip onnit so to speak...to ME the ONUS should be on the manufacturer..their  REPUTATION and Future sales are on the line when a renegade vehicle hits the lot..it would cost them LITTLE to say sorry..here is a new ONE and keep Customer and DEALER both Happy Campers.........................

  did I tell you the one about the UNHAPPY CAMPER.....two intents fer U lot

[jcon]

Lemon Laws are not to protect the average consumer in the average situation. They protect the average consumer in the most extreme situations. One consumer vs a manufacturer? Little to no chance that they can defend themselves.

Were also not talking about new cars here, we're talking about vehicles that has already been determined to be 'lemons'.

[dorin]

I thought that some if not all US lemon laws actually brand the vehicle as a lemon and that has to be disclosed to subsequent purchasers.

[jcon]

I thought that some if not all US lemon laws actually brand the vehicle as a lemon and that has to be disclosed to subsequent purchasers.

in the US...

[dorin]

I thought that some if not all US lemon laws actually brand the vehicle as a lemon and that has to be disclosed to subsequent purchasers.

in the US...

or at least in the state where the car was initially purchased.   

Still, my point was that lemon laws are not necessarily good only for the initial buyer if the car is branded a lemon and it has to be disclosed to all potential buyers.

[safristi]

NOT SO according to the STORY...many States First don't have Lemon Laws and many that do don't require the BRANDING of such cars once the dealer takes them back so it a BandADE soution at BEST...(Hence this POST about LEMON supposedly brandede cars flooding into Canadeh!!).my idea above is better NO LAWYERS INVOLVED and better YET no 10,000 "strong!!" Dept of "LEMONS" needed in Ottawa...don't we already have 10 of THOSE???

[jcon]

NOT SO according to the STORY...many States First don't have Lemon Laws and many that do don't require the BRANDING of such cars once the dealer takes them back so it a BandADE soution at BEST...(Hence this POST about LEMON supposedly brandede cars flooding into Canadeh!!).my idea above is better NO LAWYERS INVOLVED and better YET no 10,000 "strong!!" Dept of "LEMONS" needed in Ottawa...don't we already have 10 of THOSE???

I think its unlikely that we would see a Federal Lemon Law. Look how long its taken for a "No Call" list and that has loads of popular support.

[carburator]

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Still, my point was that lemon laws are not necessarily good only for the initial buyer if the car is branded a lemon and it has to be disclosed to all potential buyers.

My issue is that dealers were lying to customers that there was nothing wrong with the cars ..."just probably the door lock" or something like that. This was caught on video tape by the reporters.

Dea-lier-s.

[safristi]

Lets eliminate the GST eh Cretin... and tha PST...then we can take out chances on the re_possed Ferrari & Porsche from MIAMI....sounds like a Plan..hell sounds like a PLATFORM TA ELECT SAF fer PRIME BEEF MINISTER.......

[jcon]

Lets eliminate the GST eh Cretin... and tha PST...then we can take out chances on the re_possed Ferrari & Porsche from MIAMI....sounds like a Plan..hell sounds like a PLATFORM TA ELECT SAF fer PRIME BEEF MINISTER.......

What would Rex Murphy have to say about your platform?

Focus on getting that car of yours running and leave the politiking to those with only half a brain!