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« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2007, 01:56:21 am » |
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...but the primary beauty is in what lies beneath the hood.
I'll take the TT 300 hp unit versus the 235 hp unit of the e46 anyday... even if it means I have to give up a bit of the sexy stylin'.
How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? Anyhoo, styling is subjective. Some people have better taste than others. Otherwise we'd all be driving Neon SRT4.
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« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2007, 04:50:50 am » |
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I went ta FART SKOOL...so I know wot I'm tawkin' bout....signed Messers Schmidt & Wanker.......................let's have a lil perpective 'ere oK then remove yer thumb from the pic then.....   ....  .. |
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« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2007, 05:53:00 am » |
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I do recall reading the BMW 1 Series is built on the E46 platform. |
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« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2007, 07:35:02 am » |
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No it isn't. It is its own 1-series platform.
"How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? " Yes indeed. |
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« Reply #144 on: November 13, 2007, 10:34:05 am » |
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No it isn't. It is its own 1-series platform.
"How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? " Yes indeed.
True indeed x 2. And the E46 M3 looks even better....  x 10 (my favorite looking car of all time). But how many were not abused by previous leasors?...  |
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« Reply #145 on: November 13, 2007, 12:01:42 pm » |
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Everyone seems pretty torn about this thing. I for one think it'll be great car, but I can certainly be considered a bit of BMW fanboy (not as bad as my bro or Jeff  ...but somewhat) Styling: The 3 Coupe is definitely better looking. No question. But I don't think it's ugly. Especially with the standard M package on the 135i, it looks fairly nice. And please, the Impreza owners questiong the cars looks??? hahaha...I realize an imprezza is cheaper, so compare the STi I suppose. Still ugly to me, but I know what it can do...and that makes it beautiful. Performance/Weight: This car is NOT a track car. Why would anyone think it is? Who in their right mind would spend $45-$50k on a track car unless they were loaded and buying a weekend toy, which the 1er is certainly not. It's sport coupe not a sports car. Performance on par or "slightly" better than the 3 coupe, but for less money. That equation fits nicely into my situation. I have no kids, I want a nice, fast car, but I have no intention of racing it. Regardless of all of BMW's marketing crap about the 2002, the cars aren't even remotely related in terms of their intended demographic. Competition: Sure you can buy nice CPO cars for similar or less, but that's true of every car, so I don't see how the 1er is different in that regard. The closest competitor I see to the 135i is the A3 3.2. A GTI is FWD and little downmarket, and the STi and Evo are intended as much more raw sports cars (crap interiors, amazing performance). The A3 3.2 is very similar in it's luxury and size. And that thing costs about $45k when you build one, so having the TT 3.0 engine plus other goodies (6 pot brakes, etc) seems decent at $45-50k (not outstanding). Bottom Line: I think it'll be a great car for it's intended purpose (i.e. not the track). I'll definitely look at it in a year or so, when it's time to buy. If that makes me a poseur or my tires squeal at 150km/h around a hairpin turn...so be it  |
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« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2007, 12:03:54 pm » |
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No it isn't. It is its own 1-series platform.
"How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? " Yes indeed.
True indeed x 2. And the E46 M3 looks even better.... x 10 (my favorite looking car of all time). But how many were not abused by previous leasors?... When spending $40,000+ on a vehicle, I won't buy a used one, regardless of its value or appeal. |
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« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2007, 12:10:20 pm » |
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Would be interesting to do a POLL on this, BMW owners (current or previous) vs non-owners. |
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« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2007, 12:39:16 pm » |
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CPO M3? Nah, I'd like a little torque, servicability and SOME reliability thankyouverymuch.  Evil_twin, buying something like the EvoX or STI and expecting it to serve practical 4-season pedestrian duty AND be able to hit the track with aplomb on the weekends doesn't sound like too much to ask. My next car will be expected to be more practical (ie. come carrying capacity for people and stuff); safe; comfortable and also enjoyable for my periodic ventures to the AutoX course or track days. |
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« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2007, 02:40:15 pm » |
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GD, I completely agree. But my point is the 135i is not a track car first. It's a "sporty luxury coupe" (I'm an engineer, not a marketer ), so all this talk about the heavy weight is silly. Of course it's heavy! It's loaded with a meaty chassis, lots of sound deadening, luxurious appointments in the cabin, etc. It can definitely be used out on the weekend track, but not to compete with true track warriors.... ...unless of course you're gutting the thing, getting a Vishnu tune, light weight wheels, much better tires (non RF), blah, blah, blah... ...but at this point you might as well of bought that used porsche or Z06. p.s. Is it really ugly? http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2299 |
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« Reply #150 on: November 13, 2007, 04:11:39 pm » |
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No it isn't. It is its own 1-series platform.
"How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? " Yes indeed.
True indeed x 2. And the E46 M3 looks even better.... x 10 (my favorite looking car of all time). But how many were not abused by previous leasors?... When spending $40,000+ on a vehicle, I won't buy a used one, regardless of its value or appeal. I do....  |
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« Reply #151 on: November 13, 2007, 04:28:35 pm » |
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Ooh, it's nice in blue. The 1-Series coupe's aesthetics have been hurt by the fact that essentially all promo photos I've seen are an orangey-red. |
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« Reply #152 on: November 13, 2007, 08:15:17 pm » |
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Ooh, it's nice in blue. The 1-Series coupe's aesthetics have been hurt by the fact that essentially all promo photos I've seen are an orangey-red. I agree, that blue is much better. But we ain't getting that gorgeous blue. |
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« Reply #153 on: November 13, 2007, 08:17:25 pm » |
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No it isn't. It is its own 1-series platform.
"How about this, given the price of a 135i, one can get a CPO E46 M3? " Yes indeed.
True indeed x 2. And the E46 M3 looks even better.... x 10 (my favorite looking car of all time). But how many were not abused by previous leasors?... When spending $40,000+ on a vehicle, I won't buy a used one, regardless of its value or appeal. I do.... Well, a Porsche isn't exactly a CAR ONLY, it is a dream ... remains that way for most of us still. |
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« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2007, 08:19:44 pm » |
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« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2007, 08:25:56 pm » |
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Aaaahhhhh, a Lotus. One of my faaav cars in the driving game GTR2 is a mod of a 1960(?) Lotus Elite. |
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« Reply #157 on: November 13, 2007, 08:43:00 pm » |
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Julie when I woz in High SKOOL....5th Form!!!...a richy mate had a lovely BRGREEN Elise (wot Else) and we had such fun co_piloting (that;s sitting in the passenger seat and NOT HURLING) whilst he traffiked it around Edinburghs twisty,wet and many roundabouts at shall we say "1 week Karfiscation @ $2,000 fine TERRITORY to use a local and apropos vernacular!!! Wot;s he Say.."Fantino woulda PLOTZED"... then Jimmy Clark came along rallying and we glommed onta his success...and then F1...I wanted a LOTUS so bad...I had to wait 20 odd years..and in Canada I got ONE....wifey wants it FIXED or Gonzo....OKAY dear there goes yer Hawaii trip...and RETIREMENT ....  |
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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2007, 09:10:42 pm » |
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Julie when I woz in High SKOOL....5th Form!!!...a richy mate had a lovely BRGREEN Elise (wot Else) and we had such fun co_piloting (that;s sitting in the passenger seat and NOT HURLING) whilst he traffiked it around Edinburghs twisty,wet and many roundabouts at shall we say "1 week Karfiscation @ $2,000 fine TERRITORY to use a local and apropos vernacular!!! Wot;s he Say.."Fantino woulda PLOTZED"... then Jimmy Clark came along rallying and we glommed onta his success...and then F1...I wanted a LOTUS so bad...I had to wait 20 odd years..and in Canada I got ONE....wifey wants it FIXED or Gonzo....OKAY dear there goes yer Hawaii trip...and RETIREMENT .... Am I reading into that, that Saf has now got a Lotus Elise?? Or wot??  |
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« Reply #159 on: November 13, 2007, 09:23:17 pm » |
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Noooo I think that Saf's mate had one of the real original Lotus Elites( fragile cars those) 'cos I think that the Safster is no spring chicken and dates back to REAL Colin Chapman Lotii.
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