Author Topic: Maybe no more US SUBYs comming to Canada (Read 7347 times)

Zombie · « **on:** October 31, 2007, 03:43:30 pm »

I was just talking to a dealer in Vermont and they said that Subaru Canada is trying to put a stop to the cross border shopping of Subarus.
Has any one else herd this?
He might just be saying this so that I buy the car on his lot because other dealer around don't have color that I want.

The Mighty Duck · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2007, 03:50:34 pm »

The only thing Subaru of Canada can do is to deny warranty coverage on imported vehicles, and they're already doing that. The current policy makes you pay SoC for the work, and submit the claim to Subaru of America yourself for compensation. But Subaru of Canada cannot force American dealers not to sell to Canadians, they can only put pressure on Subaru of America to do so.

I think.

Zombie · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:01:51 pm »

Quote from: Demosthenes X on October 31, 2007, 03:50:34 pm

The only thing Subaru of Canada can do is to deny warranty coverage on imported vehicles, and they're already doing that. The current policy makes you pay SoC for the work, and submit the claim to Subaru of America yourself for compensation. But Subaru of Canada cannot force American dealers not to sell to Canadians, they can only put pressure on Subaru of America to do so.

I think.

He said that some time in the future (he doesn't know when) that Subaru of US will tell there dealers to close the doors on Canadians trying to export cars.

FMJ · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:13:14 pm »

i read it in this forum, SOA and SOC are two individual company, and has no linkage?

I don't see why SOA is closing their doors....

sirAQUAMAN64 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:16:29 pm »

Quote from: FMJ on October 31, 2007, 04:13:14 pm

I don't see why SOA is closing their doors....

Because Subaru Japan tells them to, and Cdn sales lost have higher margin.

Zombie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:29:03 pm »

So the other dealer in NY is telling me that he hasn't herd anything about it.
Both dealers have said that they are selling a lot of Cars to Canadians and they do all the paper work for you, send it to the border including the temp 30 day registery.

inco · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:31:27 pm »

IIRC, SOA is a distinct entity and not attached to Subaru. They buy from Subaru and sell through their own network. Free enterprise etc. I don't think Subaru can force SOA to tell their franchises not to sell to anyone.

SOC though is owned by Subaru and they can control what happens in Canada.

I'm sure Subaru would like to try and cajole SOA into stopping the practice but they in turn would/could be sued by their dealer/franchise network. I don't think they want to take that chance when things are going good for them and sales are skyrocketing.

But I could be wrong.

sailor723 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:49:18 pm »

Quote from: inco on October 31, 2007, 04:31:27 pm

IIRC, SOA is a distinct entity and not attached to Subaru. They buy from Subaru and sell through their own network. Free enterprise etc. I don't think Subaru can force SOA to tell their franchises not to sell to anyone.

SOC though is owned by Subaru and they can control what happens in Canada.

I'm sure Subaru would like to try and cajole SOA into stopping the practice but they in turn would/could be sued by their dealer/franchise network. I don't think they want to take that chance when things are going good for them and sales are skyrocketing.

But I could be wrong.

I think you're right Inco. It's my understanding that SOA is a privately owned distributer. I would also suspect that they're Fuji's (Fuji Heavy Industries...the Japanese Co. that makes Subaru) biggest customer in the world. I don't know how much luck Fuji would have trying to push them around if they didn't want to be pushed.

johngenx · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2007, 06:16:52 pm »

Herd = herd of cows.
Heard = something you did with your ears and brain.

ghost · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2007, 08:20:16 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on October 31, 2007, 06:16:52 pm

Herd = herd of cows.
Heard = something you did with your ears and brain.

Can you control your hearing with your ears?

safristi · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2007, 12:37:20 pm »

..that SOC's................... $:-\$

stalker · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2007, 12:25:13 pm »

I borrowed this from someone and hope this might help if you are thinking of getting a Subie from the US:
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Dear...:

Thank you for your recent e-mail to Subaru of America, Inc. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.

Yes you can purchase a Subaru in the U.S. and import it into Canada. Canada has specific guidelines which are available at:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/menu.htm

Please review these guidelines carefully. After you purchase the vehicle please contact us again for a recall clearance letter. You will need this to register your vehicle in Canada.

Concerning the warranty, Subaru of America, Inc. has formalized a reciprocal warranty agreement with Subaru Canada, Inc. If a Canadian citizen purchases a new 2008 or future Subaru vehicle in the U.S., they will have two viable options for obtaining warranty repairs:

1. Return the car to the U.S. for all warranty repairs at an authorized US Subaru dealer at no charge: or,

2. Have the car repaired at an authorized Canadian Subaru dealership, pay for the repairs, then submit a copy of the Repair Order marked Paid for reimbursement to Subaru of America at:

Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru Plaza
P.O. Box 6000
Cherry Hill, New Jersey 08034-6000
Attn: CDS Department

If you are considering purchasing a 2007 or older Subaru, you can have all warranty work done in Canada as usual.

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Thank you for the opportunity to be of service.

Best Wishes,
Nancy Quinn
Subaru of America, Inc.
Customer/Dealer Services Department
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Zombie · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2007, 03:11:23 am »

2008 Impreza and STI built after September 1st, 2007 cannot be imported, reportedly due to a different Immobilizer system
Note: this is new, published on RIV.ca 11/23/07, with no specific reason given for disallowing the Imprezas.

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf
http://www.riv.ca

This is a real pisser since I was supposed to pick mine up in the US on Friday!!!

Wolfe · « **Reply #13 on:** November 25, 2007, 03:21:08 am »

Quote from: Zombie on November 25, 2007, 03:11:23 am

2008 Impreza and STI built after September 1st, 2007 cannot be imported, reportedly due to a different Immobilizer system
Note: this is new, published on RIV.ca 11/23/07, with no specific reason given for disallowing the Imprezas.

http://www.cars101.com/canada.html
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf
http://www.riv.ca

This is a real pisser since I was supposed to pick mine up in the US on Friday!!!

It could be a lot worse, you could have picked it up last Friday.

pickles · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2007, 04:58:24 am »

Ah yes the Sept 08 Immobilizer issue. If a thief wants the car he will get the car one way or another. Hmm would it not be better if it was mandatory to install these on each wheel every time you parked the car?

A little time consuming, takes up space but more effective?

Arhidia · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2007, 11:38:55 am »

WTF? What kind of BS is this? What's so different about the immobilizer system after September 1st? Did Subaru change the system? Something doesn't seem right about this.

I'm very happy I got my WRX last month.

AVToller · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:14:03 pm »

Quote from: Arhidia on November 25, 2007, 11:38:55 am

WTF? What kind of BS is this? What's so different about the immobilizer system after September 1st? Did Subaru change the system? Something doesn't seem right about this.

I'm very happy I got my WRX last month.

Immobilizer systems were not REQUIRED until September 1st, so it previously made no difference whether they were the same, or in fact whether there was one.

safristi · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:21:23 pm »

gobble de GOOK.........it's an ARBRITARY stroking of the PEN IS wot it is.....

Arhidia · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2007, 11:02:13 pm »

Quote from: AVToller on November 25, 2007, 12:14:03 pm

Immobilizer systems were not REQUIRED until September 1st, so it previously made no difference whether they were the same, or in fact whether there was one.

No, I think you misunderstood. From what I understood in Zombie's post, there is a different Immobilizer system in the Impreza cars after Sept. 1. For some reason it seems that the immobilizer system has changed. Correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding.

Zombie · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2007, 12:55:02 am »

Quote from: Arhidia on November 25, 2007, 11:02:13 pm

Quote from: AVToller on November 25, 2007, 12:14:03 pm
Immobilizer systems were not REQUIRED until September 1st, so it previously made no difference whether they were the same, or in fact whether there was one.

No, I think you misunderstood. From what I understood in Zombie's post, there is a different Immobilizer system in the Impreza cars after Sept. 1. For some reason it seems that the immobilizer system has changed. Correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding.

The deal is this: The Immobilizer is a new criteria for all cars allowed into the country but it only effects cars build after September 1st, 2007. If you still wanted to import an Impreza you could as long as it was built before Sept. 1st 07.
All Subarus have Immobilizers installed but for some reason ones in the US Impreza don't meet TC's criteria. I'm guessing that the system used in the in Impreza and forester (same platform) are slightly different then those used in the rest of Subaru's lineup. That is why they are both considered inadmissible.

Subaru must either:
1. have changed the system in its Canadian Impreza or it wouldn't be allowed to be sold in Canada either.
2. change the system in the US impreza so that it would be inadmissible. (but why only the Impreza)