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Hi Guys!!  :)

I hope you're OK.

I thought some of you might find the following interesting.


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CANADIAN PRICING OVERVIEW


At Chrysler Canada, we price our vehicles specifically for the Canadian market, taking into account a host of factors unique to the Canadian market. At times, the fact that we price our vehicles independently, combined with fluctuating exchange rates, has resulted in our MSRPs being higher or lower [?] than MSRPs in the United States. However, MSRPs are not the best basis for comparison between Canadian and U.S. pricing. As detailed below we offer tremendous value to our consumers with aggressive finance and lease offers, recognizing that the Canadian public is concerned primarily about their monthly payment as 90%(1) of Canadians finance or lease their new vehicle. Our competitive position and value story is well documented as we close in on our all-time record-tying 15th consecutive month of year-over-year sales growth.


With all of the recent press coverage on Canadian pricing and importing new vehicles from the U.S., it’s important to outline the facts, including the advantages that Canadians have.


1. IMPORTING A NEW OR USED VEHICLE HAS HIDDEN COSTS
• Importation Fees from the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles ($206.70; $222.21 in QC)
• Modification/Homologation Costs (Daytime Running Lights, Metric Clusters)
• GST, Levies & Air Tax must be paid at the border; PST/QST is to be paid when vehicle is registered
– Unlike a lease, the taxes are not able to be ‘residualized’ or rolled into your monthly payments
– Green Levies are applicable on imported vehicles
• Not able to trade-in your used vehicle in the U.S. – 1/3 of all Canadians trade-in a vehicle(2)
– Unable to receive the benefit of a Tax reduction as a result of using your vehicle as a trade-in towards a new vehicle in Canada (ie. a $20,000 trade-in on a $40,000 vehicle cuts your payable taxes in half – saving the Canadian consumer approximately $2,800)
• Transportation costs to ship the vehicle from the U.S. can add up to $1,500
• Customers must provide the title to Customs 72-hours in advance of crossing


2. IMPORTED Chrysler VEHICLES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY U.S. OR CANADIAN INCENTIVES• All U.S. incentives (cash allowance, finance, lease) are Residency Based – require a U.S. address
• Imported vehicles are also not eligible for:
– Chrysler Canada Delivery Allowance, Finance, Lease Rates
– Chrysler Canada Programs – Lease Pull-Ahead, Accelerator, Performance Programs


3. IMPORTED VEHICLES CAN COST THOUSANDS MORE TO FINANCE• Financing a loan or line of credit at the bank could cost thousands in interest costs in comparison to the low rates offered by Chrysler Financial when buying new in Canada

4. LEASE PAYMENTS IN CANADA ARE COMPETITIVE OR LOWER THAN THOSE IN THE U.S.
• Incentives play an integral role in determining the price / payment at the transaction level
• Remember – 90% of Canadians lease or finance their new vehicle
• Canadian lease positions compare very favourably to U.S. lease positions for U.S. residents


5. CANADIAN RESIDUAL VALUES ARE HIGHER ON MOST OF OUR KEY VOLUME VEHICLES

6. WARRANTY COVERAGE IS BASED UPON THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN• Imported vehicles generally do not qualify for the manufacturer’s warranty (in either Canada or the U.S.)
• Imported vehicles generally do not qualify for the Roadside Assistance


7. IMPORT DUTIES CAN ADD 6.1% TO THE PRICE
• Imported vehicles not manufactured in North America are subject to a 6.1% Duty


8. VEHICLE CERTIFICATION MAY REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INSPECTION & REPAIR COSTS
• Canadian and U.S. safety standards aren’t completely harmonized
• Unique Canadian standards include 8 km/h bumpers, daytime running lights, etc.


9. PRICE COMPARISONS AT THE MSRP LEVEL BETWEEN CANADA & THE U.S. ARE MISLEADING
• 90% of Canadians are concerned about their actual monthly payment – finance or lease
• MSRP is only a point of reference in the highly competitive Canadian market
• There are considerable incentive, residual and equipment differences
– A Ram 1500 ST Quad Cab 4x4 has an MSRP about $5,000 higher in Canada comparably equipped, but we are spending over $11,000 on incentives – providing Canadians with a $6,000 advantage, without even factoring in the 7-points higher residual value, providing another $2,250 leasing advantage!
– Unique Canadian vehicles include the Grand Caravan Canada Value Package, Grand Cherokee Laredo Diesel, Dakota SXT and considerable other product actions & package discounts tailored to our market (more features at a lower trim level)
• Then add in importation costs, homologation / modification costs, loss of warranty, no trade-in tax favourability, and higher cost of borrowing from no incentives

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All very interesting - I'm sure. But just how does ANY of the information on the pitfalls of IMPORTING a vehicle from the U.S. into Canada explain why the 2008 Chrysler 300C is $9,125 more in Canada?! It is - after all - MADE IN CANADA!!

And to add insult to injury - Chrysler's sold in the U.S. [to Americans] come with a LIFETIME POWERTRAIN WARRANTY!!

Lots of 'smoke and mirrors' if you ask me.

Craig!! :)
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1. IMPORTING A NEW OR USED VEHICLE HAS HIDDEN COSTS
• Importation Fees from the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles ($206.70; $222.21 in QC)

But of course Canadian dealers would never try to charge a $200 "documentation " fee that is not listed on the MSRP
• Modification/Homologation Costs (Daytime Running Lights, Metric Clusters)Yes on some vehicles it could be on others it could be little or none
• GST, Levies & Air Tax must be paid at the border; PST/QST is to be paid when vehicle is registered

This one gets me the worst. I mean all Chrysler Canada vehicle MSRP are advertised TAX IN right? Not only do you ALSO pay GST/PST on a night in Canada vehicle you pay it on the HIGHER Canadian price meaning MORE tax. All those wonderful Canada only cash back incentives? They don't lower the taxable price of the vehicle. Who's hiding costs now?
– Unlike a lease, the taxes are not able to be ‘residualized’ or rolled into your monthly paymentsNo they can't nor can they be if you choose not to lease in Canada
• Not able to trade-in your used vehicle in the U.S. – 1/3 of all Canadians trade-in a vehicle(2)So you can't have the dealer steal your trade and instead have to sell it privately for more $ oh how sad.
– Unable to receive the benefit of a Tax reduction as a result of using your vehicle as a trade-in towards a new vehicle in Canada (ie. a $20,000 trade-in on a $40,000 vehicle cuts your payable taxes in half – saving the Canadian consumer approximately $2,800)Same thing happens if you don't trade in your vehicle on a Canadian vehicle
• Transportation costs to ship the vehicle from the U.S. can add up to $1,500Sure it could. But buying a 2008 PT Cruiser in Canada ensurers you will pay $1200 to have it shipped to the dealer you buy it from (Destination Charge) as opposed to $600 to Ship it to a US dealer. Who's hiding costs now?
• Customers must provide the title to Customs 72-hours in advance of crossing This is a cost HOW?



All this stuff boils down to mostly one advantage to buying in Canada. You can lease/finance through Chrysler in Canada. If you don't your cost savings are huge. All the talk about hidden costs is :censor:. Many of the same costs like Tax are in play in Canada

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IMPORTED Chrysler VEHICLES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY U.S. OR CANADIAN INCENTIVES

Oh really not eligible for Factory to dealer incentives? Oh so they didn't mean ANY incentives just ones they can use to make it look like there is a Canadian advantage.
Canada
Chrysler 300- MSRP 31,895-$1500 (cash and deliver allowance)+Freight $1300 = 31695

US
Chrysler 300- MSRP  25100 -Cash (if you don't finance) 2500 + Freight 675 =23275

Difference 8400!!!!!

The US not only has a &K lower MSRP but they get $1000 more "incentive" on top of it. Plus they pay 1/2 the freight.

Yes I understand that Canadians buying in the US may not get so me of the incentives. But the point remains that these manufactures are trying to project a perception that despite the huge difference in MSRP that that gap is somewhat closed by "incentives" that are exclusive to Canada. Its simply not true. The US gets comparable or greater incentives.

In the end they can do as they please but I think it erodes their credibility to try to use flawed arguments to explain away the price difference.

They charge more here because they  CAN not because they are spending more in incentives in Canada.

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And I have to admit - the following really baffles me.

[Found in 'Advantage number 9']

"A Ram 1500 ST Quad Cab 4x4 has an MSRP about $5,000 higher in Canada comparably equipped, but we are spending over $11,000 on incentives – providing Canadians with a $6,000 advantage......"

Now PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't Chrysler Canada missing a golden opportunity?! Wouldn't most Canadians think 'Good for Chrysler' IF they simply lowered the Canadian MSRP to match the U.S. MSRP and decreased [To Chrysler's advantage] the incentives on the Ram 1500 ST by $6,000?! Most Canadians would THINK that Chrysler is doing THEM a favour when in fact they are actually making even more money from Canadians. [Assuming what Chrysler Canada said about the 'incentives' is true] I don't think Chrysler Canada [Or any other auto manufacturer] understands the concept behind 'perception equals truth'. Most Canadians now BELIEVE that they are being taken advantage of and no amount of explaining is going to change that. Most Canadians are now waiting for the prices to drop and the first auto company to find the courage to do just that will be rewarded. [Reputation wise - if nothing else]


Am I right or am I confused?!

Craig!!  ???


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Some smoke and mirrors there for sure. What troubles me most is they say no warranty on EITHER side of the border. That's got to be illegal. Not honouring it in Canada is one thing...
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Am I right or am I confused?!

Clearly Craig you're confused. Just let Chrysler take care of everything. Obviously you don't understand high level finance. Leases and rebates are best left to the professionals. It's the 'NEW' math.  :P ;D

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The first point about hidden costs is just stupid.  Yes, it costs money to import a car from the States.  But it does not cost $10 000, the amount one can save importing a car!  Even with these costs and a slightly worse interest rate, there's still savings to be had.

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Obviously they are trying to justify a disparity that is difficult to stand beside.  However, they are free to price their product as they please, but trying to stop cross border shopping is a bad idea.

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They did a better job than many in trying to keep a sale Cdn.
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Obviously they are trying to justify a disparity that is difficult to stand beside.  However, they are free to price their product as they please, but trying to stop cross border shopping is a bad idea.

I agree. They are free to price as they wish. But stop insulting our intelligence by "justifying" the reason for the disparity as anything that it Wat it really is. Because they CAN.

A wise man once said its better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Every time they do this they just did the hole deeper and deeper and encourage people to pick apart their logic more and more revealing the flaws. It makes it look like they are trying to fool or misdirect people.

The best course would be to simply say "We price vehicles differently in all our markets. we have no further comment". If you won't tell the TRUTH (because the truth is fairly ugly) just say nothing and move on.

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the Truthiness is UGLY....like some(MOST) of their KARS.... ;) :bang: :think: :nono: they should just :stfu: and lower the PRICES.....!!!! like Leons...Don't have ta Pay till 2011.....when yer DEAD...........the "SHOP TILL YA DROP EXTRAVAGANZAAA...." :banana: :banana: :banana: >:D
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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 12:43:08 pm »
They still make the PT Loser for sale?

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 12:48:59 pm »
They still make the PT Loser for sale?

I thought it was the PT Barnum.  ??? ??? ;)
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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 12:51:27 pm »
PT "loser" proved to be a Good vehicle...well rated and love or hate it was a HIT.....a sleeper ya could say...... :sleep: :sleep: fer some... :bounce: :bounce: fer others....Polarizing Yes..like the Element...300....Yaris...et al.......but all in all a... :thumbup: IMHO....... ::)

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2007, 01:04:14 pm »
They still make the PT Loser for sale?
Hi initial_D!! :)

Not for long - apparently.

Click on http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,54905.0.html to read another forum users post.

To bad - I say. I think the PT Cruiser is a great little car. And what a perfect vehicle to 'introduce' to North America a diesel engine. But... Chrysler knows best I guess.  ::)

Craig!! :)

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 06:21:28 pm »
 :hello:

I like'd the looks of the PT, about 10 years ago,  :) ... then I drove it.  :P :P

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2007, 06:25:36 pm »
...10 years ago!!!...slow Learner ;D..P.T ...Hup 2... 3 Hup give me 10.......PT ads back then were ROOM ROOM..... :D

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2007, 07:19:14 pm »

Lease prices are lower in Canada?  ???  :rofl2: :rofl:

Who ever came to that conclusion has never seen a weekend edition of the Detroit Free Press... It is sometimes insane! Especially for imports.

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2007, 08:51:06 am »
At Chrysler Canada, we price our vehicles specifically for the Canadian market, taking into account a host of factors unique to the Canadian market.

In other words, on the PT Barnum philosophy of "there's a sucker born every minute, and two to take him".

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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2007, 01:17:24 pm »
Another topic that is BS is that you can't trade in in the US. I was talking to a Subaru dealer that said that they do except trade in from Canadians.
Why I would want to is another story.
Besides the trade in is just another cash grab for the dealer, 9 times out of 10 you will make more money selling your car privately. They will offer you only 50-70% of what they will sell the car for in the end and that doesn't justify the tax savings off the price of the car.

The thing that gets me is this, the general public is stupid and will generally believe what they read or hear. I'm not talking about the people here on the forum because those people are at least making an effort to be informed and reading what other people have to say. So the general public is stupid and Chrysler knows that something like this will help ease some consumers minds about there new car purchase or at least confuse them enough to think that they are doing what they can to be competitive in this market.

For a 10-30K savings I would forgo some warranty coverage. I mean if you walk into the dealer and they said that they would charge you 10k leass on a 30K car if you voided the warranty wouldn't you take it (well after thinking to your self there must be something wrong with this car if they are willing to do that). Sure importing has hidden cost, takes more time and some effort but how long does it take you to clear 10K in income.
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Re: Chrysler Canada on Canadian pricing and why you shouldn't import from U.S.
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2007, 01:25:02 pm »
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Another topic that is BS is that you can't trade in in the US. I was talking to a Subaru dealer that said that they do except trade in from Canadians.
Why I would want to is another story.
Besides the trade in is just another cash grab for the dealer, 9 times out of 10 you will make more money selling your car privately. They will offer you only 50-70% of what they will sell the car for in the end and that doesn't justify the tax savings off the price of the car.

What kind of financial genius would want to trade their car in the US where prices are low rather than selling it in Canada where prices are high?