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Oh No! More Big Brother
« on: October 09, 2007, 11:08:14 am »
So what does everyone think about this development?  I know that some aftermarket anti-theft systems have had this for a few years but now it looks like some people may not have a choice unless they buy something else.

Is this too much control of your car in the hands of someone else?



OnStar puts the brakes on stolen vehicles
Last Updated: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 | 10:28 AM ET
The Associated Press

A satellite communication system known for giving directions and unlocking cars is moving into the cops and robbers business.

Beginning in 2009, General Motors will equip some 20 models with an updated version of OnStar, one that can stop stolen cars.

The radio may even speak up and tell the thief to pull over because police are watching.

GM is still exploring the possibility of having the car give a recorded verbal warning before it stops moving.

A voice would tell the driver through the radio speakers that police will stop the car, said OnStar president Chet Huber, and the car's emergency flashers would go on.

"If the thief does nothing else it will coast to a stop. But they can drive off to the side of the road," Huber said.

"This technology will basically remove the control of the horsepower from the thief," he said. "Everything else in the vehicle works. The steering works. The brakes work."

Signal to slow car is sent via cell phone


With the current version of OnStar, drivers can call operators for emergency help, and OnStar operators will contact a car if its sensors detect a crash.

Subscribers already call on OnStar to help find 700 to 800 cars each month using the global positioning system.

With the new technology, OnStar would then call police and tell them a stolen car's whereabouts.

Then, if officers see the car in motion and judge it can be stopped safely, they can tell OnStar operators, who will send the car a signal via cell phone to slow it to a halt.

Huber said GM will apply to the rest of its lineup in future years.

Those who want OnStar but don't like police having the ability to slow down their car can opt out of the service, Huber said. But he said their research shows that 95 per cent of subscribers would like that feature.

The service has about five million subscribers.

Service is meant to prevent car chases

OnStar, including the first year's subscription fee, is standard on most of GM's 2008 vehicles. After the first year, the subscription price is $16.95 US a month or $199 US annually for basic service, which is to include the stolen-vehicle slowdown feature when it's available.

GM would be willing to sell the technology to other automakers in an effort to cut police chases, Huber said.

Last year, 404 people were killed in the U.S. in crashes involving police pursuits, according to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The new technology likely gives OnStar and GM a leg-up on competitors that market vehicle tracking devices aimed at retrieving stolen vehicles, said Jack Nerad, executive market analyst for Kelley Blue Book in Irvine, Calif.

He predicts consumers will favour the feature.

LoJack Corp., of Westwood, Mass., produces vehicle tracking devices that help authorities locate stolen vehicles but not communicate with them. SPAL USA in Ankeny, Iowa, also sells an anti-car-jacking system with a personal identification transmitter that prevents thieves from using the vehicle.
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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2007, 11:34:07 am »
I, in general, tend to be very non-paranoid, but I want nothing to do with the current OnStar. This is even more over-the-top in my opinion. No thank you.  :P
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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007, 11:37:15 am »
OnStar is the automotive ankle bracelet.  I have no interest in it. 

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2007, 11:40:30 am »
OnStar is only available on GM products. Thankful for that.  :)

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2007, 12:09:20 pm »
OnStar is only available on GM products. Thankful for that.  :)

OnStar is also available on Acuras.

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 12:12:52 pm »
OnStar = Skynet  :o

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 12:28:44 pm »
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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 12:41:13 pm »
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Don’t worry AVT, Earth will make us extinct before that happens.

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 12:50:12 pm »
OnStar makes Tiger Woods look stupid.

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 06:07:17 pm »
 I say have Tiger arm Wrestle Lou DOOB_HEAD...fer World Leadership.......best 3 Trillion out of 5 Trillion........ :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :run:
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 06:14:33 pm »
OnStar is nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo


That 'story' sounds strangely familiar -- but I've gone blank as to where I've heard it before.  I can see the extrapolation to a chip, though... some days, with all the freaking passwords and PINs that I have to remember, I do wish I had one (from a purely self-serving practical standpoint, far removed from the possible ramifications, of course).

Shall we begin forming the resistance forces in advance of a post-apocalyptic nanny world?   ;D  Do I have to move to Moose Factory, or Port Alberni?  And how will this union affect the cost of cars in North America?   :D

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2007, 06:21:10 pm »
Hack the system and shut them all down... :)


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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 06:54:34 pm »
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That 'story' sounds strangely familiar -- but I've gone blank as to where I've heard it before. 

You've heard it here: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

The youtube clip is the 3rd part from this documentary.  Zeitgiest is free to watch and download (torrent) on their website.  Yes, the North American Union is scary.  Watch the film and you'll be shocked at what else you'll learn.  It's all conspiracy stuff though.

Skeptics across the internet are plenty however.  Believe what you want.

All I know is that with things like OnStar, cameras everywhere, and stoopid laws like the 50 over in Ontario, the world is turning into a real shitty place.  The future is not promising.  I wish I was born in the 40's.


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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 06:57:57 pm »
Nah this is the best time, all the :censor: hasn't hit the fan yet, not for another 20 years or so, and then I won't care anymore.  So we get all the cool gadgets now without so much crap, it will get worst for sure.


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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 07:20:00 pm »
 :foil: :foil: I agree with AVT. :foil:

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2007, 08:00:45 pm »
All I know is that with things like OnStar, cameras everywhere, and stoopid laws like the 50 over in Ontario, the world is turning into a real shitty place.  The future is not promising.  I wish I was born in the 40's.

The OnStar thing is a lawsuit in the waiting if the brakes and steering don't work for some reason.

As for cameras, we have it good compared to the UK.  :foil: indeed.

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2007, 08:01:19 pm »
Nah this is the best time, all the :censor: hasn't hit the fan yet, not for another 20 years or so, and then I won't care anymore.  So we get all the cool gadgets now without so much crap, it will get worst for sure.

I take it there are no children in your long range plans.

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 08:05:31 pm »
The OnStar thing is a lawsuit in the waiting if the brakes and steering don't work for some reason.

As for cameras, we have it good compared to the UK.  :foil: indeed.

I'd like to see that lawsuit.  "Yes, Your Honour, I stole his car, but the brakes didn't work and I nearly died in the get-away!"  Sad thing is, in this day and age, the thief would probably win...  remember that case about the burglar who fell through a roof, and sued the homeowners who he was trying to rob, and won?

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Re: Oh No! More Big Brother
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 08:31:29 pm »
All I know is that with things like OnStar, cameras everywhere, and stoopid laws like the 50 over in Ontario, the world is turning into a real shitty place.  The future is not promising.  I wish I was born in the 40's.


I was - it's great!  8) ;D ;D