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GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« on: September 27, 2007, 08:10:05 am »
GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
Buffeted by soaring loonie, Ontario plants now face stiffer competition from the United States
GREG KEENAN

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

September 27, 2007 at 1:12 AM EDT

One of the key pillars supporting Canada's long-standing competitive advantage in the auto industry began crumbling Wednesday, less than a week after another one collapsed.

General Motors Corp. and the United Auto Workers reached a deal that shifts the burden of retiree health-care costs for U.S. workers to the union. The agreement dramatically reduces GM's burdensome cost structure and once it's followed by Chrysler LLC and Ford Motor Co., will reduce the health-care advantage Canada has used for more than a generation to help lure automotive investment to this country.

It comes just days after the Canadian and U.S. dollar reached parity, vaporizing a competitive advantage that buttressed billions of dollars in investment in the automotive heartland of Southern Ontario.

“It's a black day for the auto sector in Canada,” said industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc.

Another industry-watcher, Michael Robinet, vice-president of global vehicle forecasts for CSM Worldwide Inc., was not as downbeat, but warned that the breakthrough labour agreement “puts GM U.S. in a much stronger competitive position versus GM facilities in other parts of the world.” The deal represents a “shot across the bows” for new GM investment in Canada and Mexico, Mr. Robinet said.

Also in the four-year deal are annual bonus payments instead of wage increases, a lower hourly pay rate for some newly hired employees and commitments by GM to invest in its U.S. operations.

There is no immediate threat that Chrysler, Ford and GM are going to close up their Canadian factories.

But several of the Detroit Three's Canadian plants are on the endangered list. The combination of reduced U.S. costs and the promises of new U.S. investment means it will be more difficult for Canadian Auto Workers president Buzz Hargrove to negotiate increased spending on Canadian plants.

“This may be the first day of the long-term hollowing out of the Canadian plants of GM, Ford and Chrysler,” Mr. DesRosiers said.

Those companies and their suppliers have for years represented the bulk of the industry in Canada, but the operations of Honda Motor Co. Ltd. and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan are growing here, as are parts companies that supply those two auto makers.

GM will transfer its $51-billion (U.S.) retiree health care obligation to a trust, called a Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Association or VEBA, and finance it with a cash infusion of about 70 cents on the dollar or $36-billion.

That move will trim its average labour costs – including benefits – by about $18 or $19 an hour, Deutsche Bank AG auto analyst Rod Lache estimated. Average hourly U.S. labour costs will fall to about $55, close to the $48 that Japan-based auto makers are estimated to pay their U.S. workers.

The $55 figure is also considerably below the $70 (Canadian) average hourly wage and benefit package paid to CAW workers at Detroit Three plants in Canada.

Mr. Hargrove rejected the assessment that Canada is suddenly less competitive.

The rise in the value of the dollar has hurt Canada's position, he acknowledged.

“I think we still have an advantage because of our health-care system in spite of the dollar,” he said. He also noted that Canadian auto workers are more productive than U.S. employees, a view backed up by annual studies of North American auto labour productivity.

What happened in the U.S. talks and will happen when the CAW goes to the bargaining table next year for a Canadian deal, Mr. Hargrove said, is that workers are asked to compensate for the Detroit Three's loss of market share, for which he blames a flood of imports from Asia and Europe.

CAW economist Jim Stanford described shifting the retiree health-care burden to the union as simply a shell game.

The U.S. auto makers will still be paying for the health care of their active employees, Mr. Stanford pointed out and retiree health costs are irrelevant when it comes to deciding where investments are made.

Mr. Robinet agreed that Canadian workers' higher productivity is a benefit, but others cautioned that the mess at the Windsor-Detroit border is another black eye when it comes to investing in Canada.

“Don't forget the border,” said one long-time observer referring to the delays that hold up delivery of new vehicles from Canadian plants to U.S. destinations and more importantly, Canadian-made parts to U.S. vehicle assembly plants. “We have to offset the border.”


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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 12:41:10 pm »
Sad news for the workers but when an industry or economy needs a crutch like low exchange rates or government sponsored heath care to be competitive the reality check should come as no surprise.

The narcotic the manufacturing sector has been flying high on only means the hangover form withdrawal will hurt. We all knew this was coming.

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 12:51:02 pm »
$70 an hour to work in an auto plant?  :fall:

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 12:53:36 pm »
US$55/hour?  For a 40-hour-per-week employee, 50 weeks out of the year, that's $110,000...roughly twice what I make as an attorney!  WTF?!  No wonder GM is in the red.
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 01:01:23 pm »
Sad news for the workers but when an industry or economy needs a crutch like low exchange rates or government sponsored heath care to be competitive the reality check should come as no surprise.

Can't even afford the "L" anymore...  :rofl:

I guess this means that Buzz will be hitting the media hard this week to get promises from all the Provincial candidates.

I suppose they should also raise my taxes now to afford the hand-out to the poor poor auto sector... Of course with the tax hike I will no longer be able to afford a new car... Oh what a vicious cycle! :P

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 01:02:17 pm »
US$55/hour?  For a 40-hour-per-week employee, 50 weeks out of the year, that's $110,000...roughly twice what I make as an attorney!  WTF?!  No wonder GM is in the red.

I wonder how much the corporate lawyers at GM make?

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 01:17:00 pm »
$70 an hour to work in an auto plant?  :fall:

($X labor costs) isn't what the company pays the employee but what it cost them an hour this would include the hourly wage, benefits , etc.
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 01:21:21 pm »
$70/hr WOW
Thats probably equal to or more than what the CAO (CEO equivalent in the muncipal sector) of a medium city makes.
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 02:27:58 pm »
($X labor costs) isn't what the company pays the employee but what it cost them an hour this would include the hourly wage, benefits , etc.

Okay, that makes more sense.

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 04:46:50 pm »
..why are "merican lawyers PAID SO MUCH..........."half of GM" employees....what do they PRODUCE... ;)...
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007, 06:18:16 pm »
($X labor costs) isn't what the company pays the employee but what it cost them an hour this would include the hourly wage, benefits , etc.

Okay, that makes more sense.

OK, but is the load factor on the wage?  We use 30% when making contracts, so that would = $49/hr to the worker.  Still pretty darn good, over $90,000 per year gross pay   :o
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 07:13:02 pm »
A unionized miner III in Sudbury makes $55/hr. and that does not include pension, benefits, or nickel bonus.
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2007, 08:57:01 pm »
OK, but is the load factor on the wage?  We use 30% when making contracts, so that would = $49/hr to the worker.  Still pretty darn good, over $90,000 per year gross pay   :o

Yeah, that's pretty unreasonable.  I make 2/3s that, and my job required seven years of post-high-school education (and the related student loans, which have saddled our two-lawyer family with an absurd level of debt).

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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2007, 09:09:22 pm »
But soon you will be charging you clients $5 a photocopy and $100 to mail them a letter with a 50 cent stamp to make up for it ;)


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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2007, 02:50:27 am »
OK, but is the load factor on the wage?  We use 30% when making contracts, so that would = $49/hr to the worker.  Still pretty darn good, over $90,000 per year gross pay   :o

Yeah, that's pretty unreasonable.  I make 2/3s that, and my job required seven years of post-high-school education (and the related student loans, which have saddled our two-lawyer family with an absurd level of debt).

The problem there is the post-secondary education funding system.  If tuition were free, as it should be, then your student loan problem would be minimal.
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Re: GM deal 'a black day' for Canada's auto sector
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2007, 04:55:17 am »
OK, but is the load factor on the wage?  We use 30% when making contracts, so that would = $49/hr to the worker.  Still pretty darn good, over $90,000 per year gross pay   :o

Yeah, that's pretty unreasonable.  I make 2/3s that, and my job required seven years of post-high-school education (and the related student loans, which have saddled our two-lawyer family with an absurd level of debt).

Should be higher Mitlov.    ;) I would argue that degrees that require no more math than Stats 101 ( with the possible exceptions of Medicine and Dentistry) should have a $1,000,000 tuition fee applied.
Law, Political Science, Sociology,Media Studies, English Lit, Art, Classics   etc.   ;D

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