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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2007, 12:58:28 pm »
I'm guessing   just guessing Julie's a WINTER ;D
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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2007, 06:01:58 pm »
A chart which may be of interest.

Ice traction comparing REVO1, LM25, RE960AS, and RE050A. Respectively Bridgestone's top-end winter tire, performance winter tire (older design I believe), UHP All Season, and UHP Summer.



I was surprised at the lack of much appreciable difference between the LM25s and the RE960AS (which I am using now). The RE960s are 95W rated all seasons with an intricate but not very aggressive tread pattern. Great in the dry and wet. Definitely made for three seasons. The LM25 has a fairly blocky tread pattern by comparison despite its H / V speed rating.

Three explanations, possibly a combination of all three.
1. The LM25 is not especially good in the winter / on ice. Perhaps too much speed / performance bias.
2. The RE960 is a whole lot better on ice than one would expect.
3. Ice just makes things very difficult for almost any tire, regardless of its design.

**The test metric was an acceleration run of 60 feet on an ice rink in an E90 with traction control on.
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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2007, 06:24:20 pm »
Interesting. If I recall correctly, Ray T got the REVO1s

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2007, 09:08:38 pm »
I'd like to see a hakkapelitta in that test and even more... a 3 season old Hakka vs a 3 season old Blizzak. They are both great when new but AFAIK the Blizzak "goes off" soomer than the Hakka
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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2007, 09:10:11 pm »
I'd like to see a hakkapelitta in that test and even more... a 3 season old Hakka vs a 3 season old Blizzak. They are both great when new but AFAIK the Blizzak "goes off" soomer than the Hakka

Finding tests on Nokians that are in English is difficult.

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2007, 09:48:23 pm »
There is not much difference in performance on ice.   Is there another chart showing performance in snow and slush?


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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2007, 09:50:08 pm »
Have not found one from Tire Rack.

Did find this, but its in Swedish and mostly talks exalts studded tires, which aren't an option. Plus, the ContiViking isn't available in NA I believe. Euro-centric test.

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/bil/0310/18/dacktest.pdf

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2007, 10:05:33 pm »
This time a Canuck test.

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2007, 10:08:03 pm »
This time a Canuck test.

Lemme know if you need translation. Moi parles francais.

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2007, 10:17:26 pm »
This time a Canuck test.

Lemme know if you need translation. Moi parles francais.

Going to try my hardest. :)

1. Start -> Stop on snow with partial ice
2. 80 -> 0 stopping distance on snow with partial ice
3. Slalom. Presumably with cones. I love words that are the same.
4. Emergency double lane change ???
5. I'm guessing this is something about doing donuts in the snow. That would be really fun, actually.
6. Noise level.
7. Personal Impressions?

I haven't seen a single tire test yet that didn't have the Nokians and Gislaveds head and shoulders above everything else. Their speed ratings aren't great though. Never having seen an Ottawa winter nor a 401 winter it is hard to judge whether I want a mixed dry/winter tire or a tire with a heavier winter bias.

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2007, 10:53:20 pm »
You want a cold slush / dry weather tire that is good in the wet.  You do not need a deep snow tire, unless you live in the boonies and leave for work at 5 am.


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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2007, 01:03:31 am »
My cars have worn separate sets of summer and wheels & tires for about the last 15 years, so I'll report my history / experiences....  Best time to swap them is around Halloween and Easter for prairie winters IMHO.

All were worn on A2 VW Jetta ('86, '92) unless specified:
175/75-13 Goodyear F32-S, in 1st and 2nd gear the car would pull through a deep snow-covered field with 3 of my younger siblings as passengers.  Excellent traction.  Would buy again, except for the fact that snow tire technology started improving and becoming more commonly available....

175/75-13 Dunlop Graspic (can't remember the specific model) - studdable winter tire, square tread blocks, I ran them without studs, noisy and crude but moderately effective, could be unaffectionately called "dumb-lumps".  I purchased 2 to replace the worn-out Goodyear's.  Would not recommend.

14" Toyo Observe G-02, my brother had a set of these on his Plymouth Sundance Turbo and took me out to show me what they could do.  I almost lost my last meal when he merged onto a busy icy street in front of another car, the driver looked like he was in full-panic mode but my brother goosed the throttle and caught up with the traffic faster than the guy behind him could have stopped.  Extremely aggressive tread pattern, although not as noisy as you might expect.  I don't recall how well these tires wore but when new they sure were effective on icy streets.

155/80-13 (4.5x13 rabbit steel wheels... narrow!) - Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q, an awesome tire that lasted me 4 winters with proper rotation and seasonal changeover.  My sister's husband used them temporarily after I was done with them and remarked that they still provided acceptable winter traction.

155/80-13 (5x13 Audi steel wheels) - Nokian Hakkapeliitta RSi, I was undecided between another set of Hakka Q's or the new RSi, decided on the RSi because of the cool tread pattern and tread wear indicator, also higher speed rating?  My subjective opinion (from memory), I recall being more impressed with the Q as it seemed to grip and wear better.  Very subjective opinion, could have been accelerated tire wear due to worn suspension parts or driving conditions (less snow).

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Re: Winter Rubbers!
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2007, 07:07:41 am »
I had a set of Hakkas in 175-13 on skinny steelies on my 87 Golf GTI twincam. Fairly frightening on a dry road as you can imagine ( the car came with 185/60-14 P6 summers)  but unstoppable in ice and snow at any depth I ever encountered in TO.

I am considering a set of the Hakka 4s for the Fit.