Author Topic: Official: Gas Guzzler Tax Discussion (Read 63000 times)

Arthur Dent · « **Reply #80 on:** March 22, 2007, 06:34:28 pm »

Doesn't seem to work at the small car end of the market. A $2k rebate is huge bonus for the Yaris buyer (or Toyota if they jack up the price) to buy over the almost identical fuel wise Fit.

Titanium48 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 22, 2007, 08:22:45 pm »

Toyota Yaris (MT) - 6.9 L/100km city, 5.5 L/100km highway, weighted average 6.27, $1000 rebate

Honda Fit (MT) - 7.3 L/100km city, 5.8 L/100km highway, weighted average 6.63, no rebate, no fee

Honda Pilot (AWD) - 14.1 L/100km city, 9.7 L/100km highway, weighted average 12.12, no rebate, no fee

Toyota Sequoia - 15.7 L/100km city, 12.1 L/100km highway, weighted average 14.08, $2000 fee

Yes, it does seem kind of screwy.

Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #82 on:** March 22, 2007, 08:39:31 pm »

Glad to see the policy. Likely should have given the automakers more warning though. But they needed to get some sort of policy in place before the inevitable election sometime this year.

articsteve · « **Reply #83 on:** March 22, 2007, 09:51:54 pm »

Quote from: Titanium48 on March 22, 2007, 04:33:46 pm

Aren't most of the Japanese cars sold here assembled in North America?

The one's that qualify? NO

Toyota and Honda Hybrids are made in Japan. Corolla made in Canada. Yaris as previously stated made in Japan.

Worse is the gas guzzler tax. Naturally no list is provided by the Federal Government.

This was all about headlines and politics. Obviously it works on the ill informed.

JSCC · « **Reply #84 on:** March 22, 2007, 10:41:43 pm »

Attention potential VW diesel owners!

VW is going ahead with a $1500 gas tax rebate with the remaining 2006 TDIs even if the CAD government does not do it for the 2006 models!

Which means you are going to get the $1500 either from the government or VW Credit!

dr_spock · « **Reply #85 on:** March 22, 2007, 10:51:05 pm »

Isn't $1K the price difference between the gas and the TDi engine?

JSCC · « **Reply #86 on:** March 22, 2007, 10:53:02 pm »

Quote from: dr_spock on March 22, 2007, 10:51:05 pm

Isn't $1K the price difference between the gas and the TDi engine?

$1800 between 2.5 gas and 1.9 TDI.
But 40% in fuel savings!

johngenx · « **Reply #87 on:** March 22, 2007, 11:06:50 pm »

Over dinner this evening my wife and I were talking about the 90 day gasoline forward prices and the new $1K rebate on the Yaris. With the length of her commute, we could save $120 a month, or more (depending on gas prices) by having her drive a Yaris to work and back. Save some gas, save money, help cut greenhouse gasses, etc.

With a more-than 5% rebate on a Yaris LE five door with AT and B-Package, I admit it is VERY tempting. Maybe the program is working already!

(only thing is she will miss her AWD on snow days, but we could always send her in the Scoob on the worst days)

Leviathan · « **Reply #88 on:** March 23, 2007, 02:17:23 am »

Here http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/03/06/geneva-motor-show-mazda3-2-0-mzr-cd-turbo-diesel/ is a Mazda3 that should garner $1500. According to the link it has a 2.0L turbo diesel with 140HP, 266lb-ft and is rated at 6.0L/100Km combined.

Quote

To keep the black smoke at bay, a maintenance-free, diesel particulate ﬁlter system is fitted as standard allowing the MZR-CD to achieve Euro IV emissions compliance.

Is Euro IV tougher/easier than the new NA standard requiring low sulfur diesel?

quadzilla · « **Reply #89 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:33:44 am »

Quote from: Leviathan on March 23, 2007, 02:17:23 am

Here http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/03/06/geneva-motor-show-mazda3-2-0-mzr-cd-turbo-diesel/ is a Mazda3 that should garner $1500. According to the link it has a 2.0L turbo diesel with 140HP, 266lb-ft and is rated at 6.0L/100Km combined.

Now that is HOT! Please bring that to Canada...please.

tpl · « **Reply #90 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:37:05 am »

Quote from: Leviathan on March 23, 2007, 02:17:23 am

Here http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/03/06/geneva-motor-show-mazda3-2-0-mzr-cd-turbo-diesel/ is a Mazda3 that should garner $1500. According to the link it has a 2.0L turbo diesel with 140HP, 266lb-ft and is rated at 6.0L/100Km combined.

Quote
To keep the black smoke at bay, a maintenance-free, diesel particulate ﬁlter system is fitted as standard allowing the MZR-CD to achieve Euro IV emissions compliance.
Is Euro IV tougher/easier than the new NA standard requiring low sulfur diesel?

I have a suspicion that Euro IV allows more Nox than the new NA standard... 'cos IIRC Euro IV allows for diesels as a class whereas the NA standard does not. Not sure tho'

inco · « **Reply #91 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:08:06 am »

Quote from: johngenx on March 22, 2007, 11:06:50 pm

Over dinner this evening my wife and I were talking about the 90 day gasoline forward prices and the new $1K rebate on the Yaris. With the length of her commute, we could save $120 a month, or more (depending on gas prices) by having her drive a Yaris to work and back. Save some gas, save money, help cut greenhouse gasses, etc.

With a more-than 5% rebate on a Yaris LE five door with AT and B-Package, I admit it is VERY tempting. Maybe the program is working already!

(only thing is she will miss her AWD on snow days, but we could always send her in the Scoob on the worst days)

Keep it up John and we are going to be soon having our own version of Jay Leno

tpl · « **Reply #92 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:20:53 am »

I must say that 90 day gasoline forward prices are not on our dinner table conversation list of topics, we only discuss which corporate bonds we might have in our portfolios

UmroAyyar · « **Reply #93 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:45:12 am »

Interesting stuff in mail today. Sorry, I don't have online links for these, but I am sure this can be found in the whole budget documentation.

Most importantly, the dealer inventory standing as on March 19 or sold before March 19 is not affected by the levy or rebate.

99 Silver · « **Reply #94 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:46:03 am »

Quote from: articsteve on March 22, 2007, 09:51:54 pm

Quote from: Titanium48 on March 22, 2007, 04:33:46 pm

Aren't most of the Japanese cars sold here assembled in North America?

The one's that qualify? NO

Toyota and Honda Hybrids are made in Japan. Corolla made in Canada. Yaris as previously stated made in Japan.

Worse is the gas guzzler tax. Naturally no list is provided by the Federal Government. This was all about headlines and politics. Obviously it works on the ill informed.

Please stay on topic and stop your Liberal socialist political rants

Paul Allen · « **Reply #95 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:33:38 am »

Here is another example of government decisions gone wrong.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0612_the_big_picture/

UmroAyyar · « **Reply #96 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:42:26 am »

Auto makers snipe at feebate 'inequity'

The new federal “feebate” scheme could generate $40-million in savings for Toyota Canada Inc. buyers while purchasers of new vehicles from the Detroit three would pay about $45-million in penalties on gas guzzlers.

Those numbers are based on 2006 sales of the vehicles that are eligible for a rebate and subject to a penalty in the program introduced in the federal budget on Monday that has become the subject of intense debate in the auto industry.

An analysis circulating in the industry shows that based on last year's sales figures the $1,000 rebate on the Toyota Yaris subcompact alone would have generated about $34-million in savings for Toyota buyers. People purchasing gas guzzlers from DaimlerChrysler Canada Inc., Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd. and General Motors of Canada Ltd. would have been out of pocket $55-million, offset by about $10-million in savings, mostly from a rebate on sales of ethanol powered vehicles.

Honda Canada Inc., Hyundai Auto Canada Inc. and Nissan Canada Inc. are expected to lead the charge for a strong stand against the budget, industry sources said yesterday.

“It's going to be an interesting meeting,” said Lindsay Duffield, president of BMW Canada Inc., who is also this year's AIAMC chairman.

They will run up against Toyota, which has expressed strong support for the budget and did so again yesterday.

“What the government is attempting to do here is to respond to the challenge of climate change,” Toyota managing director Stephen Beatty said.

He said he has not done an analysis that would confirm the $40-million in savings for Toyota buyers, but noted that its sales change from year to year and the auto maker would be unable to boost production immediately if there was a sudden surge in demand for the Yaris based on the $1,000 rebate.

The difference in fuel consumption between the Yaris and some other subcompacts in the segment is the equivalent of a 19-per-cent difference in CO{-2} emissions, he said.

“In the context of public policy around climate change, that's not a drop in the bucket,” he said.

He noted that some Toyota vehicles are penalized by the gas guzzler tax and some Chrysler and GM vehicles are eligible for a rebate. The rebate applies to hybrids, vehicles capable of using E85 ethanol and other fuel-efficient cars.

“If I were at General Motors right now, I think I'd be looking at how to make every Impala I sold an E85 vehicle,” Mr. Beatty said. “I think that changes the economics of it.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070322.wautos23/BNStory/Business/home

safristi · « **Reply #97 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:45:48 am »

The dead beats GO ON and ON and ON............anyone have a GOOD LAFF at Al BORE up on Capitool HILL Blues last nite...even Jon Stewart a lefty chewed his shorts on the PRIG.....that's with a G...but O "K" if ya want......IGNORANCE is as Ignorance does...remember ANYONE...Acid Rains and Lakes...turns out it was BS..the natural state of that area was acidic.......the beat goes on and on cos the Press LOVE an unfair fight..and lets face it..........every story you see and hear has some poor SAP reporter saying "WE only have 30 seconds Left..after 2MINUTES of BS...so could you tell US THE MEANING OF LIFE!!!"...............Now over to Viagra ads....

Sir Osis of Liver · « **Reply #98 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:58:44 pm »

Quote from: safristi on March 23, 2007, 11:45:48 am

The dead beats GO ON and ON and ON............anyone have a GOOD LAFF at Al BORE up on Capitool HILL Blues last nite...even Jon Stewart a lefty chewed his shorts on the PRIG.....that's with a G...but O "K" if ya want......IGNORANCE is as Ignorance does...remember ANYONE...Acid Rains and Lakes...turns out it was BS..the natural state of that area was acidic.......the beat goes on and on cos the Press LOVE an unfair fight..and lets face it..........every story you see and hear has some poor SAP reporter saying "WE only have 30 seconds Left..after 2MINUTES of BS...so could you tell US THE MEANING OF LIFE!!!"...............Now over to Viagra ads....

Jesus SAf,you've got to stop getting your environmental education from FreeRepublic.com

You don't hear so much about acid rain because governments toughened up on NOx and SO2 emissions from cars and industry in the early 1980s.

I overheard a fellow going on about all of "the environmental

" the state of California imposed on cars back in the the late 60s because of the air quality problems in LA. The air was fine in his opinion. Well of course it's better NOW, AFTER the regulations have been in effect for 40 years.

(still not good though)

dr_spock · « **Reply #99 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:27:16 pm »

The summer air over Toronto is a fine brownish haze. Smells ok to me.