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« Reply #160 on: May 03, 2007, 10:14:23 am »

rockaallen, check this EPA U.S. site. They've revised the fuel economy calculation method, they also report the individual real driving results. You can compare the older and the newer 2008 fuel economy standards.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
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« Reply #161 on: May 03, 2007, 10:34:55 am »

great site... thanks!!
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« Reply #162 on: May 03, 2007, 03:42:29 pm »

here is canadian site http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/fuelratings/ratings-search.cfm?attr=8

X5 was it in the 70gs range?
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« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2007, 01:31:34 pm »



nice site...
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« Reply #164 on: June 07, 2007, 10:24:12 pm »

Hi -

Does anyone know if I would still be eligible to receive the 8% Alternative Fuels Ontario Govt rebate if I traded in a car for a new Civic Hybrid?  (for the sake of argument, say my trade-in covered the entire cost of the hybrid).

A salesman at my local Honda dealer said I could still get it.  However, the Govt of Ont guidelines state that the rebate is for RST paid on the vehicle, and technically, one doesn't pay any RST on such a trade-in.

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« Reply #165 on: June 22, 2007, 03:34:52 pm »


The Canadian site seems to be giving the number provided by the manufacturer which is not quite right... in the real world it takes more fuel then what they say...
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« Reply #166 on: June 22, 2007, 03:45:22 pm »

I went ta school...sorry skool   wif a Gus Guzzler......his Mom had a HUMMER practice after the BELL RANG.........
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« Reply #167 on: June 25, 2007, 12:19:25 pm »

Fuel-saving tactics exist, but they're costly
Richard Truett
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June 25, 2007 - 1:00 am   
 
Raising the fuel economy of cars and light trucks to 35 mpg won't be easy, but a batch of off-the-shelf technologies can bring automakers close to the goal.

The downside: Implementing them will be expensive for automakers and consumers. Here are the five top currently available technologies, along with the estimated per-vehicle cost to the automaker:

1. Diesel engines: Diesels can deliver fuel economy gains of 25 to 30 percent over similar sized gasoline engines. For example, a two-wheel-drive Chevrolet Silverado pickup with a 5.3-liter V-8 gasoline engine gets 22 mpg on the highway. With a 4.5-liter diesel, a six-speed automatic and a couple of other tweaks, this truck can achieve close to 30 mpg highway. Cost: $4,000 to $6,000.

2. Hybrids: The Toyota Prius already achieves more than 45 mpg. Adding a plug-in feature to full hybrids - a technology featured on the Chevy Volt - would allow a fuel economy rating as high as 150 mpg for short trips. Less costly "mild" hybrids such as the Saturn Vue Green Line can deliver a 20 percent improvement in fuel economy. Cost: $2,000-plus.
 


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Off the shelf
Fuel-saving technologies available now:
Diesel engines
Smaller, turbocharged gasoline engines
Six-speed, dual-clutch and continuously variable transmissions
Plug-in and mild hybrids
Electronics that replace mechanical systems
Lightweight materials, such as carbon fiber, magnesium and aluminum

 

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3. Turbochargers: Combined with gasoline direct injection, variable valve timing and other technologies, turbos allow automakers to use smaller engines without hurting performance. Audi, Ford, Mazda, BMW, Chrysler and GM are adding turbochargers to their lineups. Cost: $300 to $500.

4. Electronics: Replacing slow, heavy mechanical systems with light, faster-acting electronics improves fuel economy in several ways. An electric power steering system, for example, reduces drag on the engine and weighs less. LED lighting requires less electricity, which allows the use of lighter wiring harnesses. Cost: $100.

5. Lightweight materials: Aluminum, magnesium, carbon fiber and plastics cost more than steel, but save weight. Cost: Varies by vehicle and material.
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« Reply #168 on: June 25, 2007, 06:28:03 pm »

Fuel-saving tactics exist, but they're costly
Richard Truett
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June 25, 2007 - 1:00 am   
 
Raising the fuel economy of cars and light trucks to 35 mpg won't be easy, but a batch of off-the-shelf technologies can bring automakers close to the goal.

The downside: Implementing them will be expensive for automakers and consumers. Here are the five top currently available technologies, along with the estimated per-vehicle cost to the automaker:

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Off the shelf
Fuel-saving technologies available now:

Diesel engines
Smaller, turbocharged gasoline engines
Six-speed, dual-clutch and continuously variable transmissions
Plug-in and mild hybrids
Electronics that replace mechanical systems
Lightweight materials, such as carbon fiber, magnesium and aluminum

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All of those are already in use in one way or another.  The problem with the article is that it implies all the above are "alternatives" or perhaps even exotic and somehow too financially painful.  I put it to everyone here that all six of those options will go from being an "option" to the way things are done for most if not all manufacturers.
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« Reply #169 on: July 31, 2007, 10:13:03 am »

Why can't they let the automakers apply the discount or pay the customers at the time of the sale (just like the gas guzzler levy is collected at the time of the sale) and deal with the government.

Ottawa can't shift green rebates into gear
Qualified car buyers have not been paid

GREG KEENAN

July 31, 2007 at 1:00 AM EDT

More than four months after announcing rebates for those who buy fuel-sipping cars and trucks, the federal government has not paid a cent to buyers of 2006 and 2007 models that qualify, and automakers are voicing complaints as 2008 models flow on to dealers' lots.

The ecoAuto feebate program set up in the March federal budget, offers rebates of up to $2,000 and also slaps a maximum levy of $4,000 on gas guzzlers. But it is angering consumers and growing increasingly messy for the auto companies, associations representing the major automakers operating in Canada say in a letter to Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and Environment Minister John Baird.

“Our members report they are already receiving numerous letters of complaint and frustration over the fact that no process to apply for the rebate has been established,” David Adams, president of the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers of Canada and Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association , said in a letter to the federal ministers.

No money has been paid out to buyers of 2006 and 2007 models that qualify for the incentives, Transport Canada spokesman Robin Browne confirmed Monday from Ottawa.

“The government will finalize the program in the coming months and aims to issue cheques in the fall,” Mr. Browne said.

As for why it has taken so long to get this far, he said the government is working as quickly as possible to put the program in place.

By contrast, Honda Canada Inc., began offering rebates on its Fit subcompact car and manual transmission Civic compact in May, made them retroactive to budget day, March 19, and is paying the money, senior vice-president Jim Miller said Monday.

The Fit did not qualify under the federal scheme because it uses 6.6 litres of gas to travel 100 kilometres, just missing the cut-off line for rebates on 2007 and 2006 vehicles, which is set at 6.5 litres per 100 kilometres.

People who bought Toyota Yaris subcompacts, ethanol-powered Chevrolet Impalas and Chrysler Sebrings, diesel-powered Smart cars and other alternative -technology vehicles after March 19 are eligible for rebates.

But consumers kicking tires on 2008 models, assuming they will get a rebate, may be out of luck because Transport Canada still hasn't announced what vehicles from the new model year are eligible.

No date is set yet to publish the list of which 2008 models are eligible, Mr. Browne said.

“The government has established a program that continues to be bereft of critical details for both manufacturers and consumers,” Mr. Adams and Mr. Nantais said in their letter.

Many automakers already have several 2008 models on the road, and most have switched production at their plants over to new models and stopped cranking out 2007 versions.

“It's becoming a customer nightmare,” Honda's Mr. Miller said Monday.

Honda has improved the fuel consumption of the Fit so that buyers of the 2008 model will be eligible for the federal rebate if the same 6.5-litre rule applies, Mr. Miller said.

“Not having firm regulatory guidelines adds an element of risk to doing business in Canada,” added Stuart Schorr, a spokesman for DaimlerChrysler Canada Inc.

Although sales of Toyota's Yaris jumped in April and May after the program was introduced, they fell in June.

Industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers, who heads DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc., said an analysis of subcompact sales for the past two years shows the so-called feebate program has had little impact on sales.

“We said on day one that the feebate would fail miserably, four months into the program we are being proven to be right,” Mr. DesRosiers said in a note to clients last week.


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« Reply #170 on: July 31, 2007, 10:40:54 am »

Was just reading news of that now Umro.

Honda really did a good job dealing with ecoAuto IMO, and this is just another thing they could use to advertise "Get the $1,000 Honda Benefit applied NOW on your purchase".
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« Reply #171 on: July 31, 2007, 10:55:32 am »

sirAqua,  I Agree that would be a great incentive by Honda.
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« Reply #172 on: July 31, 2007, 10:57:27 am »

I see buried in the TEXT...Honda Fit 2008 model meets the Gov Mileage STANDARD....that they may or may not CHANGE again or STOP.......bluddy SOUND BITE /PHOTO OP...what sh8t can i disturb today( i typoed toady !! that applies too) POLITICIANS........can't think DOWN THE ROAD....... Bang Bang Bang Bang Head Bang Head Bang Head snowy snowy snowy
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« Reply #173 on: July 31, 2007, 11:17:17 am »

Here is the problem...

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As for why it has taken so long to get this far, he said the government is working as quickly as possible to put the program in place.

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Also for 2008 they will change the rating to 6.4 as the fit is now 6.5  Wink
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« Reply #174 on: July 31, 2007, 11:20:31 am »

I'm not impressed.  Angry
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« Reply #175 on: July 31, 2007, 11:22:44 am »

Good ONE Quadz Contacts.........I'm still waiting fer MY 2002 Ontario Tax Rebate....
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« Reply #176 on: July 31, 2007, 02:48:29 pm »

Welcome to big government.  They can't do anything quickly!
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« Reply #177 on: July 31, 2007, 03:32:55 pm »

Welcome to big government.  They can't do anything quickly!

... And I'm sure that they are working on that problem as we speak!

Step 1:  Royal commission covering all departments.  Witnesses to be heard until 2009, report due in 2011.

Step 2:  Recommendations to be released in 2011, debated in Parliament until 2012.

Step 3:  Decisions reached in 2012, feasibility study to be launched, also that year. (wow, such action. Roll Eyes)

Step 4:  Announce a new program of rapid service:  2015.

Step 5:  Actually implement the new program with proper methods:  2019.

NOTE:  This assumes that no significant change in Government has taken place at any time during that 12 year period.  Then we'll have to start all over again. 
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« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2007, 04:19:06 pm »

Don't forget the senate too. Heck once it gets there people will have to reminded what a cars is and does. They have never been enregy conservers either so they won't understand the concept.   ROFL Grin
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« Reply #179 on: August 01, 2007, 11:03:26 am »

WE have a SENATE...hell We have a GOVERNMENT.... Huh ain't they all home attending local BBQ's fer BIG SPONSORS contributors......

  6 years and OUT is my slogan.....and after 3 years if U have done diddly..a Referendumb Cry

They come Over Like Uncle AHNOHLD in their stump speeches fer Election re_election then settle in fer a 4 year snooze then GET RELIGION at election time.....

 Government is the ONLY "INDUSTRY" still living in the 19Th Century..cos THEY MAKE THA RULES.... Bang Head Bang Contacts Cry Cry Cry
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