Author Topic: 2007 Camry Hybrid (Read 5516 times)

1TSX · « **on:** February 05, 2007, 03:13:24 pm »

Hey everyone,

It looks like we won't be a full Honda family anymore. $:-\$ We are thinking of purchasing a new 2007 Camry Hybrid, base model. We have driven the vehicle, and we love it. We are thinking of trading in our 01' Accord, which we haven't had any problems with. We just like to switch our cars now and then.

Do you think we should wait till 2008, just in case of 1st year bugs/defects? I read that someone on the forum owned a Camry Hybrid, but had to sell it for financial reasons. Are there any known bugs so far?

Thanks in advance!!

AVToller · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2007, 03:23:48 pm »

A good friend of mine got one in August - already has 15,000+ km on it and he and his wife absolutely love it. It's been flawless so far, and the fuel economy has been superb. He's coming from a 2001 Outback which is now the second car. Based upon his evaluation, I would say go for it!!

dave 2 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2007, 05:33:01 pm »

One of my friends' law partners has one since last summer and absolutely no problems. (except getting used to a very quiet ride to work)

Julie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2007, 07:37:59 pm »

I'd personally wait for at least the 08 model. Just personal preference not to buy first year models.

Seafoam · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2007, 08:36:46 pm »

2 hondas try going to this toyota forum site. There is a forum on the Camry hybrid maybe you could get some info on them there.
http://www.toyotanation.com/

1TSX · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:41:07 pm »

Thanks for the replies!!

It sounds like the vehicle is getting mostly positive reviews. We would preferably purchase the vehicle now, especially during the winter months, because we could get the most savings now.

redroaster, we have checked out that forum. Thanks!

Anyways, an update;

We were at our local Toyota dealers last night, and well, at one of them, we didn't get treated very well.
This deal was going very well - until they asked if our vehicle had an accident. Of course, we answered yes. Negotiations happened, then the New Car sales manager assumed we wanted to get rid of our car because it had an accident.

This comment insulted us. Our car is PERFECTLY fine, except for that incident.
Also, the salesperson said we were "not serious" because we didn't want to accept their proposed deal?

As he said that, he looked "mad", and his physical motions were a bit rough (ie. putting items away with an attitude). We don't know if we should deal with them, even though they USUALLY do good deals.

More to come...

Edit: Does anyone know the mark up or dealer cost of the 07' Camry Hybrid? It would be really beneficial if we knew!

Right now, the discount we are offered is $1700 + Gov't rebates + Trade/Tax Savings

dave 2 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2007, 04:26:26 pm »

I would avoid that dealer like the plague.

Manitoba announced today they're giving $2000 rebates to anyone purchasing a Hybrid(til November 2008).

Julie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2007, 08:41:47 pm »

2hondas, that sounds like a classic slime-ball strategy to make you feel inferior so that you are pressured into accepting their offer. It's all "acting", tactics that they learn to use on customers.

You can get the cost and any secret incentives to the dealer from the manufacturer from organizations like carcostcanada.com or APA.ca. Starts as low as 25 bucks per quote.

Don't deal with that dealer. He doesn't deserve your business.

dr_spock · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2007, 10:38:37 pm »

You could search the Toyota forums for first year bugs with the Hybrid. I bought a first year Bug and it has been bug free. It's the price to pay to be the first to own a Camry Hybrid on your street.

Time to find a better dealer.

Bodin · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2007, 03:26:03 pm »

I have dealt with 4+ Yoda dealers and have had bad experiences with all of them. Maybe they train their sales staff to think they are superior. Or maybe they feel superior because Toyota is the biggest car company in the world. Whatever it is, it sucks because I like Toyotas. I just by them used

gl finding a good dealership

UmroAyyar · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2007, 03:29:38 pm »

Quote from: 2hondas on February 06, 2007, 01:41:07 pm

Edit: Does anyone know the mark up or dealer cost of the 07' Camry Hybrid? It would be really beneficial if we knew! Right now, the discount we are offered is $1700 + Gov't rebates + Trade/Tax Savings

The only discount you are offered is $1700. The rest is yours no matter what. If you think you can haggle for more discount, you should get membership from APA or CCC as Julie suggested. Its worth it.

Seafoam · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2007, 07:53:23 pm »

Quote from: UmroAyyar on February 07, 2007, 03:29:38 pm

Quote from: 2hondas on February 06, 2007, 01:41:07 pm
Edit: Does anyone know the mark up or dealer cost of the 07' Camry Hybrid? It would be really beneficial if we knew! Right now, the discount we are offered is $1700 + Gov't rebates + Trade/Tax Savings

The only discount you are offered is $1700. The rest is yours no matter what. If you think you can haggle for more discount, you should get membership from APA or CCC as Julie suggested. Its worth it.

At least they offered a discount. Here in Nova Scotia they have that no haggle pricing crap. I to bought a used Toyota last time.

UmroAyyar · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2007, 07:58:57 pm »

I've done the same both times I bought Toyotas. Used.

1TSX · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:38:00 pm »

Thanks for the replies again.

The problem we have with the Cost Pricing services is that... what if we are at the max discount already? That would be 39.95 wasted $:-\$

About the rebates; Its also $2000 here.

Hmm, maybe Toyota dealers get taught the same tactics - we have dealt with another Toyota dealer in the past; that time, they said they would only offer that "price" if we bought the car that night. Ha!

Should I mention the dealer that treated us so bad 2 nights ago?

Well, we are really thinking about our decision now; we might just wait it out-our car is still in perfect condition. We are so undecided! $:-\$ One option would be to sell our car privately; but do you think its hard to sell, if it was in an accident? It has a lifetime warranty on the repair (Carstar).

UmroAyyar · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:44:00 pm »

You're already getting a pretty good discount. Don't know how much room the dealer has, pretty sure you can't discount it all the way. Keep the $2000 out of the equation in your dealings, that will go towards the additonal cost of hybrid-power train you are going to get.

You're buying a 4-cyl Camry priced at atleast $5000 approx premium, due to hybrid powertrain and there's impressive additional equipment list on it. If you think you can milk the dealer for few more hundred dollars, $39.95 is a bit too much to pay?

The salesperson is playing his tactics, you are playing yours. It will be a deal where its acceptable for both.

Julie · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2007, 09:16:25 pm »

For me, knowing the invoice price allowed me to be the one considering the offers the dealer was giving me. When he reached the "magical number" that was in my head (what I decided was a fair mark-up), I said yes. The normal process was reversed.

However - the dealer also knew that I would buy the car that day, on the spot, if he reached my magical number, and if I felt well-treated and comfortable during the process. I let him know those conditions upfront. And that the 2nd condition was more determinant than the first. (EDIT: I also pre-screened dealers through e-mails, and was only ready to go and actually visit and negociate with the ones who provided very respectful, informative, no bullshitting answers via e-mail.)

I wasn't "fishing" for the best price I could get, I was ready to buy the car. I wouldn't go and tell that price to another dealer and ask if he can beat it, etc. I told him I wouldn't, and I didn't. He knew if he reached my price and treated me well for 45 minutes, he'd get the deal.

He got it. And I got what I wanted. That's what my APA membership gave me.

airbalancer · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2007, 07:51:44 am »

I hate sound like a broke record, but why are the US invoice pricing free on the net, but the Canadian prices we have to pay
How do CCC and APA get the Canadian invoice pricing?

articsteve · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:48:02 am »

Single quote from APA costs $25. plus GST.

Your buying a $32000 plus 14% tax vehicle and obviously not too good at it. What's with the glue in the pocket.

One option would be to sell our car privately; but do you think its hard to sell, if it was in an accident? It has a lifetime warranty on the repair (Carstar).

Depends on the nature of the accident. Replacement body panels and bumpers not a big issue. Front end damage a BIG issue. Lifetime warranties useless.

Dealers could really care less how a car has been treated. If it appears good it is good. An accident brand significantly screws with the value of the car even though the accident may have had zero effect on the car's durability and reliability. Believe me when I say dealers of all kinds hate this new accident branding thing. It's just a real PIA to tell ppl that their trade is worth X less because it was involved in an accident whose repair did nothing to negatively effect the car.

1TSX · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2007, 02:15:29 pm »

Again, thanks for the replies.

I am actually representing my dad on here, so that could explain some of my "opinions" on this topic.

But anyways, when I was checking out the APA website, I didn't really look for pricing, etc. I just saw the price list, and I saw the $25. I will tell my dad to consider it!

And it obviously works for most people.

About the accident; yea, it was involved in a front end collision; but it was mainly cosmetic; 2 front fenders, hood, bumper, etc. No engine damage or anything to that seriousness. But yea, the value of the trade in dropped $2000 instantly.

More updates soon to come...

Cord · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2007, 08:20:16 pm »

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I wasn't "fishing" for the best price I could get, I was ready to buy the car. I wouldn't go and tell that price to another dealer and ask if he can beat it, etc. I told him I wouldn't, and I didn't. He knew if he reached my price and treated me well for 45 minutes, he'd get the deal.

Well, that's the difference isn't it? I'd estimate 1 in every 200 shoppers that ask, "what's the best price?" also add that they are prepared to buy right now.

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The problem we have with the Cost Pricing services is that... what if we are at the max discount already? That would be 39.95 wasted

How cheap do you have to be to be worried about "wasting" 40 bucks on a car purchase?