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Subaru Tidbits
« on: February 03, 2007, 02:05:32 pm »
 ??? Why for how come no Scooby news SAM?  :(
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 02:08:21 pm »
Not much to come by. Found the Impreza-replacement photos which you also posted, but really not much in the 'news' for them beside upcoming product which is probably best posted about elsewhere. Will keep an eye out  ;)
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 05:18:38 pm »
With the Chicago show coming this week there must be some floating around. Isn't the new Tribeca going to be floated out?
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 02:24:59 pm »
Here's a biggie for you Snowman...

Law OK with Toyota-Fuji

James B. Treece  |   |  Automotive News / February 5, 2007 - 1:00 am
 
TOKYO -- A change in Japanese antitrust rules has opened the way for Toyota Motor Corp. to take over Subaru maker Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.

In October 2005, Toyota bought 8.7 percent of Fuji Heavy. At the time, General Motors was selling its 20 percent stake in Fuji Heavy.

Analysts said Toyota would have preferred to buy a controlling stake in the Subaru carmaker, but doing so would have run afoul of antitrust rules. Toyota and Fuji Heavy combined held 45.6 percent of the 2006 Japanese car market.

Until now, that was a problem. Antitrust rules forbid any company to control 50 percent of Japan's market for any product.

Under the rule change, though, Japan's antitrust authorities will consider global market share, not Japanese market share, in reviewing mergers and acquisitions.

Companies now will be allowed to join regardless of their combined Japanese market share, so long as the new company's global market share is under 50 percent. The change, which takes effect April 1, is designed to strengthen Japanese companies' competitiveness on world markets.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 02:27:02 pm »
If their new designs follow that spy pic of the Impreza..... :hurl:
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 09:12:54 pm »
Quote from: sirAQUAMAN64 on February 05, 2007, 02:24:59 pm
Here's a biggie for you Snowman...

Law OK with Toyota-Fuji

James B. Treece  |   |  Automotive News / February 5, 2007 - 1:00 am
 
TOKYO -- A change in Japanese antitrust rules has opened the way for Toyota Motor Corp. to take over Subaru maker Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.

In October 2005, Toyota bought 8.7 percent of Fuji Heavy. At the time, General Motors was selling its 20 percent stake in Fuji Heavy.

Analysts said Toyota would have preferred to buy a controlling stake in the Subaru carmaker, but doing so would have run afoul of antitrust rules. Toyota and Fuji Heavy combined held 45.6 percent of the 2006 Japanese car market.

Until now, that was a problem. Antitrust rules forbid any company to control 50 percent of Japan's market for any product.

Under the rule change, though, Japan's antitrust authorities will consider global market share, not Japanese market share, in reviewing mergers and acquisitions.

Companies now will be allowed to join regardless of their combined Japanese market share, so long as the new company's global market share is under 50 percent. The change, which takes effect April 1, is designed to strengthen Japanese companies' competitiveness on world markets.

Toyota and Subaru. Wow.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2007, 11:29:38 pm »
So the Impreza is being Corollarized!  >:(

And I fear the whole Subaru brand might be Toyotarized!  :'(
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 11:36:14 pm »
Quote from: JSCC on February 05, 2007, 11:29:38 pm
So the Impreza is being Corollarized!  >:(

And I fear the whole Subaru brand might be Toyotarized!  :'(

If you see the new design direction, that snout will be done and replaced with generic Acme parts from the Toyota bin.  They'll last a long time, but they can be interchanged with anything out there.  Hope the boxer doesn't go and get replaced with an inline.  Or maybe they'll use Subie AWD to make a Celica All Trac. 
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 12:26:26 am »
A Subie without a boxer just isn't a real Subie.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2007, 12:31:03 am »
Toyota and Subaru? Let me sleep on that one.. ??? ???  :-\
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2007, 01:07:18 am »
Quote from: JSCC on February 05, 2007, 11:29:38 pm
So the Impreza is being Corollarized!  >:(

And I fear the whole Subaru brand might be Toyotarized!  :'(

My fear too.  Mitsubishi starts looking more and more tempting.  Now if only they had a mid-range turbocharged Lancer at about the WRX level.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2007, 07:30:31 am »
FINALLY a SUBIE HYBRID !!!!!! :-\....how are they gonna make 'em MORE BORING LOOKING ??? :P
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2007, 07:42:07 am »
News Headline coming soon:

"Toyota WRX STIbrid"
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2007, 09:18:25 am »
There were indications and reports before about their potential joint ventures.

Toyota using Subaru's AWD system.
Subaru using Toyota or Daihatsu small and micro cars.
Subaru's Indiana plant is already lending its excess production capability to Toyota to manufacture new Camry.
Fuji Heavy Industries has done some nifty work on batteries, there's a joint project developing next-generation Hybrid technology.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2007, 09:52:38 am »
Quote from: inco on February 06, 2007, 07:42:07 am
News Headline coming soon:

"Toyota WRX STIbrid"

Don't even joke about it.  Remember the B5-TPH concept with a "turbo parallel hybrid" powertrain?  http://www.netcarshow.com/subaru/2005-b5-tph_concept/

I just hope that Toyota manages Subaru like Ford manages Volvo (a little platform-sharing, but still a lot of independence), not like GM manages Saab (micromanaging the soul and history out of the cars).
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2007, 10:04:21 am »
Quote from: Mitlov on February 06, 2007, 09:52:38 am
Quote from: inco on February 06, 2007, 07:42:07 am
News Headline coming soon:

"Toyota WRX STIbrid"

Don't even joke about it.  Remember the B5-TPH concept with a "turbo parallel hybrid" powertrain?  http://www.netcarshow.com/subaru/2005-b5-tph_concept/

I just hope that Toyota manages Subaru like Ford manages Volvo (a little platform-sharing, but still a lot of independence), not like GM manages Saab (micromanaging the soul and history out of the cars).

 :iagree: In the event Toyota buys controlling stake in Subaru, let Subaru be Subaru.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2007, 03:08:41 pm »
Quote from: sirAQUAMAN64 on February 05, 2007, 02:24:59 pm
Here's a biggie for you Snowman...

Law OK with Toyota-Fuji

James B. Treece  |   |  Automotive News / February 5, 2007 - 1:00 am
 
TOKYO -- A change in Japanese antitrust rules has opened the way for Toyota Motor Corp. to take over Subaru maker Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.

In October 2005, Toyota bought 8.7 percent of Fuji Heavy. At the time, General Motors was selling its 20 percent stake in Fuji Heavy.

Analysts said Toyota would have preferred to buy a controlling stake in the Subaru carmaker, but doing so would have run afoul of antitrust rules. Toyota and Fuji Heavy combined held 45.6 percent of the 2006 Japanese car market.

Until now, that was a problem. Antitrust rules forbid any company to control 50 percent of Japan's market for any product.

Under the rule change, though, Japan's antitrust authorities will consider global market share, not Japanese market share, in reviewing mergers and acquisitions.

Companies now will be allowed to join regardless of their combined Japanese market share, so long as the new company's global market share is under 50 percent. The change, which takes effect April 1, is designed to strengthen Japanese companies' competitiveness on world markets.


Fack me…there goes Subaru’s reliability….out the window. :) Maybe Subaru will be Toyota’s fun division. Let the parent company keep making the toasters. ;D
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2007, 04:30:43 pm »
I read something quite interesting about Toyota being shocked at Subaru's cost per unit of production.  Here's what I HOPE...

1. Toyota "teaches" Subaru how to produce cars that are more price competitive.
2. Subaru "teaches" Toyota how to have more fun and take a risk or two on some lines.

The net effect...

1. Subaru keeps it's cool and quirky products, but the prices match the segments and actually offer crazy value.  A $19,995 Impreza and $29,999 WRX?  We need those!
2. Toyota reenergizes the Corolla, adds AWD to the Camry (Subaru goes nuts with wagons, loses sedans, Camry keeps it's trunk) and maybe lets Lexus help out with Subie interiors in the top of the model range.
3. Subaru keeps neat boxer engines, but maybe gets Toyota stability control.
4. Subaru Impreza gets rear cargo area light, like the cheapest Yaris comes standard with.  Stupid place to shave how much money?  Idiots.  Toyota slaps some Subaru people that make dumb decisions like that.
5. Subaru drops stupid Tribeca, Toyota makes AWD standard on Highlander.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2007, 05:02:24 pm »
Good points, John, hope your ideas do come to pass.  :thumbup:

Minor point, but in Canada, AWD is standard on the Highlander, the FWD model is not sold here anymore.
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Re: Subaru Tidbits
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2007, 05:12:53 pm »
No! VW should buy Subaru, now that makes sense.  :D :)
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