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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 11:57:43 am »

I sat in an F Super Duty King Ranch at the show. Very intimidating but impressive truck. Biggest glarring fault was rear seat entry... the foot opening is quite narrow between B-pillar and the seat. These beasts are sure to be all over the place soon enough tho  Undecided

Ford's F-450 needs no modifications

Richard Truett  |   |  Automotive News / February 19, 2007 - 1:00 am

How much truck is too much truck?

With its 24,500-pound towing capacity, medium-duty axles, commercial-grade frame and 176-inch wheelbase, Ford Motor Co.'s new F-450 takes consumer pickups into uncharted territory in terms of size and power.

The F-450 starts at $51,280, including delivery, and can cost as much as $62,000 and change for the fully loaded King Ranch model. The trucks have just begun arriving at Ford dealerships.

Just one body style of the F-450 is offered: a four-door crew cab with a pickup bed.

The only engine is the new 350-hp Powerstroke turbodiesel, teamed with either a five-speed automatic transmission or six-speed manual. Four-wheel drive is optional. The F-450's interior shares the same size and layout as the F-250 and F-350, but the vehicle's wheelbase is about 4 inches longer.

Ford's key selling point for the vehicle: It's the first pickup of its size that is ready to go to work right out of the box. No longer will truck drivers who tow and haul industrial-sized payloads have to buy a half-built truck and then ship it off to an "upfitter" to have a rear body section grafted on.

Before the 2008 F-450, the only way consumers could get a truck with the same towing capability was to buy what the industry calls a chassis cab model. That's a stripped-down truck with the drivetrain, frame, axles and cab but no rear body structure.
 


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Ford's monster truck
7 things an F-450 can tow
1. Hubble Space Telescope
2. 2 empty UH-60 Black Hawk Army utility helicopters
3. 5 base-model 2007 Toyota Tundra pickups
4. 7 Volkswagen New Beetles
5. 8 fully grown male bulls
6. 10 Clydesdale horses
7. A 42-foot sailboat

 

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An upfitting experience

Then the buyer had to work with an upfitter to have the rear of the truck built for a specific purpose. That could cost between $8,000 for a bare-bones pickup bed to more than $20,000 or more for a fully equipped work truck. Chassis cabs are often made into dump trucks, flatbeds, tow trucks or work trucks with built-in storage bins.

Because trucks as large and as powerful as the F-450 are used mostly by companies and fleets, no automaker has offered a fully built truck the size of the F-450. The equivalent Chevrolet, GMC and Dodge trucks are available only as chassis cabs. Toyota and Nissan don't build heavy-duty trucks -- yet.

Ford studied the way that some Super Duty buyers were using their vehicles and found that many would overload the trucks to cut down on the number of trips to save time, said Robert Keller, Super Duty marketing manager.

"We knew there was demand out there from people who are towing," says Keller, 39. "The big RVs are heavier now with appliances in them and marble countertops and things like that. There are also bigger horse trailers."

Ford officials won't give a sales estimate for the F-450. But Ford has said that about 40 percent of F-series sales are Super Duty trucks. Of that, between 20 and 30 percent are F-450 or F-550 chassis cabs.

Ford sold 796,039 F-series trucks in 2006, so the potential market for the F-450 is sizable. If a third of F-450 buyers opt for the pickup, sales could be between 10,000 and 15,000 units a year. The F-450 is built in Ford's Louisville, Ky., truck plant.

More truck than ever

It isn't just the completed body and medium-duty axles that make the F-450 different from other pickups.

The giant truck comes with a rugged new frame that uses thicker metal and is stronger than the frames on Ford's F-250 and F-350 Super Duty trucks. That and a new 6.4-liter twin turbodiesel V-8 give certain versions of the F-450 a tow rating 24,500 pounds, the highest of any pickup on the market.

Pete Reyes, Ford's chief engineer for Super Duty trucks, said the F-450 may be huge, but it is still as easy to drive as a regular Super Duty pickup. He said engineers paid close attention to such things as the turning radius. The F-450 has 49-foot turning circle, Reyes said.

Buyers still can choose a chassis cab F-450 model and outfit the truck as before.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2007, 01:51:47 pm »

Navistar halts diesel engine shipments to Ford

Richard Truett  |  Automotive News / February 26, 2007 - 8:49 am / UPDATED: 2/26/2007 12:18 P.M.

 
The new Super Duty pickup, the most profitable vehicle that financially strapped Ford Motor Co. will sell this year, is in danger of stalling midlaunch.

Navistar International Corp. said today it has stopped shipping the 2008 Super Duty's popular 6.4-liter Power Stroke diesel engine in a contract dispute.

"The bottom line is we have to be paid," Navistar spokesman Roy Wiley said. He added that he could not recall a time where his company halted supplies of a key component to a customer.

Wiley would not say whether Ford has stopped paying completely for engines or is not paying enough for each engine. Ford refused to comment on the specifics of the dispute.

But this storm has been brewing since last month when Ford sued Navistar over the pricing issue and warranty costs related to the 6.0-liter Super Duty diesel engine that went out of production last year.

Ford's lawsuit claims that Navistar has failed to live up to an agreement to share warranty costs and accuses Navistar of not negotiating in good faith on prices for the new Power Stroke engine. Both claims are without merit, Wiley said.

Ford said it withheld money from Navistar invoices to make up for the money it feels it is owed for warranty costs.

Relations between Ford and Navistar have been strained for years over the troubles with the 6.0-liter Power Stroke engine, which came out in 2002.

The Super Duty truck is expected to play a vital role in hauling Ford out of it financial troubles. Ford has spent millions launching the vehicle, which started arriving at dealers earlier this month.

Navistar has been building 2,000 6.4-liter Power Stroke engines per week since early January.

Ford would not comment on how many Super Duty trucks are in dealers' hands. But Ford has built a stockpile of 6.4-liter engines, so no production interruptions are expected.

"We can support production for the near term," Ford spokeswoman Becky Sanch said.

Navistar ranks No. 47 on the Automotive News list of the top 100 global suppliers with worldwide original-equipment automotive parts sales of $3.27 billion in 2005.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2007, 08:17:23 pm »

Video of the one of the flame throwing trucks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36MCcRPRTc

Impressive sight. Looks like they have a fix though:

Ford safety spokesman Dan Jarvis told PickupTruck.com today that, "The video is definitely one of the three trucks we described last week (see below, in the original story). It was sent to us by one of our dealers in Canada, where two of the trucks in the recall were located, and it illustrates why we took action so quickly. We wanted to alleviate any potential safety concerns about this issue right away."

Although not 100% certain of the cause of the fire seen in the video, Jarvis said the truck in the 75-second clip is probably the Super Duty that was started in very cold temperatures (approximately minus 20 to 30 F). Its engine wasn't given enough time to briefly idle and lubricate the turbocharger in the freezing weather before the truck's operator drove off, resulting in a blown bearing seal in the turbo and a leak of combustible fluid into the pickup's DPF.

Jarvis also gave an update on one of the other trucks that had a leaking fuel injector, which caused another instance of flaming exhaust. After shutting off and restarting the motor the problem causing the leak in the injector resolved itself without requiring any further maintenance. It was likely caused by some sort of obstruction that was removed upon the engine's restart.

......"This software fix will recalibrate the engine's PCM (power control module) so if it senses that temperatures have climbed too high in the DPF it will begin a gradual reduction of fuel and air flow to the engine to help bring the temperatures back down," says Jarvis.

It should be noted that the software patch WILL NOT fix the root cause of any oil or fuel leak in the motor caused by faulty hardware.

In describing driver awareness and action during a 'powering down' scenario, Jarvis said the following, "(The driver) will see a message on their instrument cluster that they need to pull over to the side of the road. Within five to ten seconds, the engine will begin to lose forward power and the driver will need to pull off and stop to wait until the DPF has cooled down. The vehicle will not lose power steering or power braking during the power-down and it won't stop all together. Drivers should have enough time, if they are on the freeway or a bridge, to pull off to the side and shut the engine off. After the DPF cools down the driver can restart the vehicle, and then we recommend that they take the vehicle to a dealer for service."

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/08sdrecall/08sdrecall.html

I wonder if the new models of semi-trailers, city buses etc are going to be retrofitted with these filters too? Be careful where you stand until they get the bugs out.


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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2007, 02:20:31 am »


   That doesn't get old no matter how many times I watch it.  I love it when he revs the engine and nearly torches the cameraman.  Don't stand in front of the flamethrower, buddy!
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2007, 11:44:32 am »

I bet people would pay extra if they offered that as an option on the Mustang. Smiley
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