DrMike
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2007, 06:03:43 pm » |
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Great article dead on... Have had my lemon since May 06, with zero assistance from Toyota Canada. All the V6's have poorly designed strutt mounts that cause a very annoying :rofl2:noise on slow manoeuvers, such as parking or moving slowly in turns. This begins approximately at 4K on odometer. They have already changed them once, noise back a week later that was in October 2006 and constant reminders to dealer, They sent old mounts back to Toyota HQ and acknowleged they have a problem. TOYOTA STILL doing nothing. With all the other body noises(Rattles) you indeed need a very good sound system cranked up all the way. I have had many vehicles over my 50 years would have expected much better service from Toyota for 34K investment, I would not recommend the RAV4 to annyone.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2007, 06:04:43 pm » |
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^ ouch |
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bmorton
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2007, 07:19:51 pm » |
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All the V6's have poorly designed strutt mounts that cause a very annoying :rofl2:noise on slow manoeuvers, such as parking or moving slowly in turns. This begins approximately at 4K on odometer.
No such noise on my V6 with over 7k on it, but a few owners have reported the same issue on another forum I follow. It appears to affect a relatively small percentage of vehicles so maybe that's why they're not in a hurry to issue a TSB. Doesn't make it any less frustrating, of course. No complaints about rattles here, and I'm pretty picky about them. My RAV4 is one of the tightest vehicles I've owned. Sorry to hear that yours is giving you some grief. |
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sirAQUAMAN64
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2007, 10:32:43 am » |
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Has Toyota started RAV production in Cambridge yet, or is that still to come? |
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bmorton
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2007, 10:52:42 am » |
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The new plant is still being built - it's in Woodstock, actually. Supposed to be calendar year 2008 before production begins. |
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2007, 10:54:30 am » |
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The new plant is still being built - it's in Woodstock, actually. Supposed to be calendar year 2008 before production begins.
Ahhhhhhhh yes, my goof (couldn't bring myself to post 'my bad'). |
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DrMike
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2007, 11:01:50 pm » |
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All the V6's have poorly designed strutt mounts that cause a very annoying :rofl2:noise on slow manoeuvers, such as parking or moving slowly in turns. This begins approximately at 4K on odometer.
No such noise on my V6 with over 7k on it, but a few owners have reported the same issue on another forum I follow. It appears to affect a relatively small percentage of vehicles so maybe that's why they're not in a hurry to issue a TSB. Doesn't make it any less frustrating, of course. No complaints about rattles here, and I'm pretty picky about them. My RAV4 is one of the tightest vehicles I've owned. Sorry to hear that yours is giving you some grief. The problem will happen to all with V6, a suspension specialist I know The mount is too small for the load exerted and detroys the rubber they are using which is too soft and breaking down, really annoying, Toyota Tech has no idea of how they can fix, this is new model, 4 cyl have totally different and will not be affected. May have to go to CAMVAP to have them force Toyota to resolve or take back vehicle, right now extreme dissapointment. |
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2007, 12:28:04 am » |
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May have to go to CAMVAP to have them force Toyota to resolve or take back vehicle, right now extreme dissapointment.
Uh, lemme get this. You want Toyota to take back your vehicle over a vew "annoying noises" ? Is that correct? |
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2007, 10:26:16 am » |
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No, I think he wants Toyota to fix this:
The mount is too small for the load exerted and detroys the rubber they are using which is too soft and breaking down...
...as it appears to be a design flaw. If they are unable to address it, then CAMVAP is a possible avenue of redress. The noise is a symptom. In terms of annoying noise, there was a poster on here (CAMVAP Winner, or some such handle) that claims to have been successful in having Toyota take back an Echo HB for "annoying noises." Certainly, an annoying noise could, in my book, significantly diminish one's enjoyment of a vehicle...any might be worth pursuing, depending on its severity and one's level of tolerance and expectations. |
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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2007, 01:41:26 pm » |
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No, I think he wants Toyota to fix this:
The mount is too small for the load exerted and detroys the rubber they are using which is too soft and breaking down...
...as it appears to be a design flaw. If they are unable to address it, then CAMVAP is a possible avenue of redress. The noise is a symptom. In terms of annoying noise, there was a poster on here (CAMVAP Winner, or some such handle) that claims to have been successful in having Toyota take back an Echo HB for "annoying noises." Certainly, an annoying noise could, in my book, significantly diminish one's enjoyment of a vehicle...any might be worth pursuing, depending on its severity and one's level of tolerance and expectations. Well I'm sure Toyota will fix the problem if there is, in fact, a problem since the warranty is still in effect. Toyota does no evil right? But expect a vehicle to be taken back over "noises"? C'mon  I wonder if folks have their own work held up to the same scrutiny & standards that is currently being applied to something as complex as a modern car. Of course if "DrMike" is a doctor then his work is  but that can't be said for every poster with a bone to pick. Regardless, I hope the issue gets resolved soon for the poster's sanity  |
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2007, 03:16:19 pm » |
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No, I think he wants Toyota to fix this:
The mount is too small for the load exerted and detroys the rubber they are using which is too soft and breaking down...
...as it appears to be a design flaw. If they are unable to address it, then CAMVAP is a possible avenue of redress. The noise is a symptom. In terms of annoying noise, there was a poster on here (CAMVAP Winner, or some such handle) that claims to have been successful in having Toyota take back an Echo HB for "annoying noises." Certainly, an annoying noise could, in my book, significantly diminish one's enjoyment of a vehicle...any might be worth pursuing, depending on its severity and one's level of tolerance and expectations. Well I'm sure Toyota will fix the problem if there is, in fact, a problem since the warranty is still in effect. Toyota does no evil right? But expect a vehicle to be taken back over "noises"? C'mon I wonder if folks have their own work held up to the same scrutiny & standards that is currently being applied to something as complex as a modern car. Of course if "DrMike" is a doctor then his work is but that can't be said for every poster with a bone to pick. Regardless, I hope the issue gets resolved soon for the poster's sanity The dealer himself, shop foreman and service manager, all say they would'nt put up with the noise either, blaring radio only thing that works. They have replaced them once and cannot beleive the degradation of the rubber strutt mounts. Toyota Canada submitted same to Toyota HQ In Japan, to no avail, something you see at Ford, not one who wants to be number 1. Not at all impressed,  |
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2007, 03:41:42 pm » |
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But expect a vehicle to be taken back over "noises"? C'mon I has been done. There is a post in another forum of someone with a buzzing/reverb sound at idle in their 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe. The dealer in Atlanta contacted Hyundai USA and got permission to give the owner a new vehicle and send "buzzy" back to the factory. |
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2007, 08:36:24 pm » |
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If that's what it takes, If I had a 5K clunker, I'd live with noise, just want it fixed. or install a monster sound system, have room for 4 subs back there  . Toyota is playing deaf >:(ears like Ford with Tempo fuel pumps in 80's, very un japaneese, |
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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2007, 06:03:03 am » |
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If the mounts are breaking down, and I'm not doubting this, I think it would be a safety issue at some point. If the rubber is separating and breaking down in time it would cause the motor to move and all kinds of related stresses such as the half shafts.
That could be very expensive and dangerous.
There are Toyota forums out there and I would suggest you find them and make your concerns known. Perhaps others are reporting this as well and so it could help your cause in knowing what has been done about it.
Eventually Toyota will respond. It took them some time when that sludge issue came along on some of the earlier Camrys and Highlanders, but if that doesn't happen soon enough you can turn to Camvap - just make sure you have really good documentation ready and start writing some letters. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2007, 11:44:45 am » |
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Eventually Toyota will respond. It took them some time when that sludge issue came along on some of the earlier Camrys and Highlanders... They'll eventually respond alright. All it takes is a class action lawsuit involving millions of owners. |
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2007, 04:06:45 pm » |
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Toyota is playing deaf >:(ears like Ford with Tempo fuel pumps in 80's, very un japaneese, Interesting. Well, my father was thinking of trading his Odyssey for a smaller SUV/CUV and the RAV4 was one to look at. He's in no hurry so maybe Toyota will have a solution by the time he gets around to "doing" vs "thinking" |
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2007, 09:43:33 pm » |
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Your father has the Best Mini van on the market by far, too bad they don't do an AWD version, pretty much big Lexus ride too....
If he likes his Odyssey he should look at new CRV(only 4 cyl) which is same platform as new Acura RDX(4 cyl turbo), however does have the large hinged door that opens on wrong side, with very heavy spare. Pilot is closer to what he is used to.
Right now Toyota is trying to be No.1 at the expense of cutting a few corners, I jumped too quickly, Toyota is not Honda who bend over backwards to ensure your are happy camper even past warranty..Stay with Honda.
Frankly I would wait there is a lot coming down the pike in the next year or so and fierce competition.
After this experience,
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2007, 05:58:11 am » |
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Your father has the Best Mini van on the market by far, too bad they don't do an AWD version, pretty much big Lexus ride too....
He's been thinking of getting something smaller seeing as the most action it gets these days is hauling just him and his golf clubs to/from a golf course. If he likes his Odyssey he should look at new CRV(only 4 cyl) which is same platform as new Acura RDX(4 cyl turbo), however does have the large hinged door that opens on wrong side, with very heavy spare. Pilot is closer to what he is used to.
The CR-V doesn't have a V6 so that pretty much makes it a no go for him. Hmm, heavy tire on the door? Since he is closer to 80 than 70 then a heavy door may not be the best. Well, he is months away from doing anything anyway. |
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2007, 08:14:44 am » |
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I think he meant it doesn't have the tire, as the new CRV does not. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2007, 09:01:36 am » |
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I guess the grass always seems greener on the other side, since Honda forums have people just like Dr Mike who have issues with their Honda but aren't getting the kind of satisfaction they'd like. I likely wouldn't buy a new Odyssey based on the owner comments I've read. Plus, some '07 CR-Vs apparently have defective rear differentials, with owners complaining about stonewalling by Honda and asking about lemon laws. Sound familiar?
Any new vehicle is going to have its issues, and the evidence I've seen is that Dr Mike's problem does affect some RAV4s, but is relatively rare. I'm happy with my RAV4 and I'll continue to recommend it to people looking for this kind of vehicle. |
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