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Updated here:  http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,50291.msg348187.html#msg348187



Take this as you will, already the manufactures are disputing CR's findings as they don not jive with their own (duh).  Interesting that they tested the seats at the same speeds used by the NHTSA uses for testing cars but NHTSA uses a lower speed when testing car seats.  CR's idea is valid in my opinion, whether the results are is another matter.

But note this quote:  "any child car seat is better than no seat at all"

from:  http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/01/05/car-seat.html


Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says

Last Updated: Friday, January 5, 2007 | 10:27 AM ET
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Most of the infant car seats tested by Consumer Reports "failed disastrously" in crashes at speeds as low as 56 km/h, the magazine reported Thursday.

The seats came off their bases or twisted in place, the report said. In one case, a test dummy was hurled more than nine metres.

Of the 12 car seats tested, Consumer Reports said it could recommend only two, and it urged a U.S. federal recall of the poorest performing seat, the Evenflo Discovery. Some of the seats in the study, including the Graco Safeseat and the Graco Snugride, are sold in Canada.

Evenflo issued a statement disputing the tests' validity, saying, "The magazine's test conditions and protocols appear to conflict with the collective experience of car seat manufacturers, NHTSA [the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration] and the scientific community."

To be sold in Canada and the United States, an infant seat must perform adequately in a 48 km/h frontal crash, and Consumer Reports found that all but the Discovery did so.

But it noted that the NHTSA crash tests most cars at higher speeds — 56 km/h for frontal crashes and 61 km/h for side crashes — so the magazine tested the seats at those speeds.

"It's unconscionable that infant seats, which are designed to protect the most vulnerable children, aren't routinely tested the same as new cars," said Consumer Reports' Don Mays, a product safety director.

NHTSA Administrator Nicole Nason issued a statement saying: "We are always interested in making car seats better and safer but not more complicated and difficult for parents …. We don't want consumers misled into thinking holding a child is better than putting it into a car seat."

Nine seats failed some or all of the higher-speed tests, Consumer Reports said, while meeting the federal 48 km/h standard. Another seat was judged unacceptable because it did not fit well in several cars, the magazine said.

Messages seeking comment were left with the Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association, a trade group.

Still ... any is better than none

The magazine tested the type of seat that faces the rear and snaps in and out of a base. It used test dummies weighing 22 or 30 pounds (10 or 13.6 kg), depending on the seat manufacturers' claims.

In the 56 km/h test, seats separated from their bases, rotated too far or would have inflicted grave injuries, Consumer Reports said. At 61 km/h, four seats flew out of their bases, it said.

The only seats that passed all the tests were the Baby Trend Flex-Loc and the Graco SnugRide with EPS — expanded polystyrene foam — both selling for about $90 US. Consumer Reports urged parents shopping for seats to buy one of those two, but it also noted that "any child car seat is better than no seat at all."

It also said some seats performed better when attached by vehicle safety belts than when attached with the LATCH system. The system, which stands for Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children, includes belts that hook the base of a car seat to metal anchors in the vehicle.



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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 10:46:39 am »
22 to 30lbs in an infant seat?  Damn....babies are huge.  Our infant seat only accomodated a maximum of 20lbs....or a certain height/length. 

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 10:56:54 am »
22 to 30lbs in an infant seat?  Damn....babies are huge.  Our infant seat only accomodated a maximum of 20lbs....or a certain height/length. 

Yep, one of my wifes co-workers baby, at 4 months, was 29 lbs.  Ready for the booster seat he his   ;D

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 10:59:04 am »
Wot are these lil tykes doing driving anyway.....isn't ONE Giant Dwarf out there enuf ???? >:(
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2007, 11:04:53 am »
22 to 30lbs in an infant seat?  Damn....babies are huge.  Our infant seat only accomodated a maximum of 20lbs....or a certain height/length. 

Yep, one of my wifes co-workers baby, at 4 months, was 29 lbs.  Ready for the booster seat he his   ;D

I'd insist on a DNA test to ensure there's no Bigfoot DNA in there....4 months and 30lbs.  My 2 1/2 year old isn't 30lbs yet.

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 11:12:58 am »
22 to 30lbs in an infant seat?  Damn....babies are huge.  Our infant seat only accomodated a maximum of 20lbs....or a certain height/length. 

Yep, one of my wifes co-workers baby, at 4 months, was 29 lbs.  Ready for the booster seat he his   ;D

Yikes. Can you say diabetes and obesity. :o

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2007, 11:13:45 am »
Oh C'mon Mdx   why did ya call him Bibendum.....?????

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2007, 11:19:47 am »
Oh C'mon Mdx   why did ya call him Bibendum.....?????

Saf, did we have to see that twice?   :hurl:

Baby was born big, birth weight was more than either of our kids weighed at 6 months.  Ouch for the mom   :o

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 11:20:56 am »
You never PUT just ONE Michelin on at a time   that's Dangerous.... ::) :P ;D

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 11:31:19 am »
Yep, one of my wifes co-workers baby, at 4 months, was 29 lbs.  Ready for the booster seat he his   ;D

I'd insist on a DNA test to ensure there's no Bigfoot DNA in there....4 months and 30lbs.  My 2 1/2 year old isn't 30lbs yet.

 :o

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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 01:11:53 pm »
Our 3.5 month old is about 15 lbs.  Most of the infant car seats are 22 lbs max.  Just one in the list goes up to 30 lbs.

If you read the full article, it goes through the roughly 10ish car seats and gives details on each.  Our Peg Perego is in the "bad" list, but when you look at the details, it passed all the tests when secured by seatbelt (as ours is in the Volvo), but failed one test when secured by LATCH.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/babies-kids/child-car-booster-seats/car-seats-2-07/overview/0207_seats_ov.htm
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Re: Infant car seats fail crash tests, Consumer Reports says
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 01:46:51 pm »
Our 3.5 month old is about 15 lbs.  Most of the infant car seats are 22 lbs max.  Just one in the list goes up to 30 lbs.

If you read the full article, it goes through the roughly 10ish car seats and gives details on each.  Our Peg Perego is in the "bad" list, but when you look at the details, it passed all the tests when secured by seatbelt (as ours is in the Volvo), but failed one test when secured by LATCH.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/babies-kids/child-car-booster-seats/car-seats-2-07/overview/0207_seats_ov.htm

Thanks for the link, I thought all the CR articles were only available to subscribers but not this one.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2007, 11:58:11 am »
  Waa Haa   Bitty   MOMMY.................... :P

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2007, 05:44:03 pm »
There is nothing like driving around with stinky diapers.  :)


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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2007, 11:23:50 pm »
There is nothing like driving around with stinky diapers.  :)



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the DEPENDS TWINS................... ??? ::) :fall: :drool: take yer dumpings over to the POO Escort service..................

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2007, 11:08:28 am »
Geesh, another one of my "helpful" threads goes down the toilet.

Oh well   ;D